SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose Dork
8/11/15 7:54 p.m.

Currently heading towards my first 'real' car purchase, freaking out a little as my current high score is under $4k, and now I'm looking at spending up to 25k.

Anyway, test drove a 2002 E46 M3 yesterday, super clean car, two owners, barely 100k miles, nice all around.
The dealer had it inspected by a well reputed shop specializing in European cars, everything checked out except a cat - which they replaced.

My buddy (whom I normally bounce automotive ideas off of and owns a BMW himself) is suggesting that I get my own PPI, despite my having seen the report from the first garage.
Am I dumb for feeling paranoid about going for a second inspection with no reason to distrust the first?

SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose Dork
8/12/15 12:42 a.m.

Now I'm paranoid that even if I do get a second PPI, they'll miss something and I'll be boned.
Awesome.

The_Jed
The_Jed UberDork
8/12/15 1:38 a.m.

I don't blame you one bit, and don't think you're being paranoid. $25,000 is a big commitment, especially if there is a chance that you could wind up paying exorbitant repair bills on top of it.

Not trying to be a jerk, but $25,000 for a 13 year old sport sedan seems high. In all fairness I haven't looked up any values but, it's pretty safe to assume it's been beat on and that's a lot of cash.

A brand new (as in 0 miles) factory warranty, etc., 2016 Mustang starts at $23,800 for the 300 hp V6. That's 300 hp @ 6,500 rpm and 280 lb/ft @ 4,000 rpm that nobody else has flogged on for 100,000 miles...

Maybe not as sexy as a Bimmer flagship but, I'd assume it would be just as fast and engaging to drive.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/12/15 5:48 a.m.

In reply to The_Jed:

True, but it'll only be worth $8k in 13 years.

The_Jed
The_Jed UberDork
8/12/15 6:06 a.m.

In reply to petegossett:

You've got me there!

You'd probably have to be pretty lucky to get $8,000 for it in 13 years, judging by the price of base model Mustangs that are 13 years old now. That's something I had not considered.

Tyler H
Tyler H GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/12/15 6:16 a.m.

A clean 2002 M3 should not be $25k. Assuming a cash transaction for a 14 year old car, I'd recommend shopping enthusiast sites and getting your own PPI. $15k will get you a nice E46 M3 with 100k miles if you shop around.

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/12/15 7:04 a.m.
Tyler H wrote: A clean 2002 M3 should not be $25k. Assuming a cash transaction for a 14 year old car, I'd recommend shopping enthusiast sites and getting your own PPI. $15k will get you a nice E46 M3 with 100k miles if you shop around.

My thoughts exactly.

On a 2002 M3 I would make sure the following is checked on the PPI:

  • rear subframe mounting points
  • rod bearings.

Neither are easy to check, so it will not be cheap.

Have the dealer check for bearing change records.

Tyler H
Tyler H GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/12/15 7:11 a.m.

In reply to Slippery:

I wouldn't check them, I'd change them. In addition to the standard cooling system and bushing overhaul, M3s need new rod bearings and subframe reinforcements. They just do. That's why I recommend spending a premium from an enthusiast, where you should be able to find one that's had all this addressed (with proof,) versus paying a premium to a dealer. A clean PPI is just a snapshot in time.

One of my favorite magazine publications did an E46M3 buyer's guide that didn't pull any punches a while back.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand UberDork
8/12/15 3:23 p.m.

I just bought a one owner 2002 M3 (SMG) with 79k miles ~2 weeks ago. Intake, exhaust, tune, PSS10 coilovers, comp package brakes, Turner sways, strut bar, extra wheels, tires, etc. Tyler's market assessment is spot on.

SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose Dork
8/12/15 4:00 p.m.

Gah, wasn't clear.
My budget is up to 25k, the car in question is 17k.

And - locally at least - it's the only 6-speed clean titled not hacked up/modified coupe I've found with less than 200k on it.

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