ea_sport
ea_sport New Reader
2/1/09 10:26 a.m.

For my 2001 330Ci with about 80Kmiles, I need to add about .5 qt of oil every 500 miles (I check every 500 miles). This translates to roughly 1 qt of oil every 1000 miles which some says BMW considers normal.

Question, is it really normal? Should I invest more in this car or start thinking about getting a different car? I don't see any puddle of oil underneath my car and the valve cover gasket was just replaced so no leaking from there. This leads to my conclusion that the oil is burnt internally hence the question on the viability of keeping the car. Thanks all.

ansonivan
ansonivan New Reader
2/1/09 11:29 a.m.

You could have an issue with the oil separator system, I see a few of these per week with either a leaking diaphram in the separator, a blocked oil return passage or both.

The oil separator is a nifty little contraption which lives under the intake manifold between the throttle body and the oil filter housing. The purpose of the device is to capture atomized oil from beneath the valve cover and return it to the oil pan in an environmetally friendly fashion. Next time I do one of these jobs I'll take pictures of the whole process and post them along with a better description.

The oil return line runs from the bottom of the separator to the dip stick tube, the tube is double walled at the bottom and the thin passages occasionally become blocked with carbon. This causes the whole system to back up and then the oil consumption begins.

The best way to check for a leaking separator diaphram is with a smoke machine, most shops have these and they save a ton of guess work and frustration when finding vacuum leaks. Since you did not mention a check engine light it's less likely that you have a leaky oil separator but it's still a possibility.

The first free and easy step would be to check for flow through the return passage:

You'll need to pull the air box in order to have reasonably easy access to the dip stick.

The return line from the OS is rubber and simply slides over a little branch tube from the main dip stick tube, slide it off with a little flathead screwdriver. Insert the straw from your spray solvent of choice into the dip stick return line opening and give her hell. If the solvent fills the tube and does not drain then you've found your problem. Proceed to remove the dip stick assembly as describe below.

Unclip the starter positive line from it's little clip thingy. Remove the 13mm retaining bolt from the DS. Wrestle the DS tube out of the oil pan, rotate and wiggle (the dip stick not your hips... bmw's have no time for that kind of thing) until it comes out. Removal can take a minute on cars with lots of carbon buildup, just be patient.

Clear the return passage with a coat hanger or other sturdy wire, you'll have to go at it from the top and bottom, it well be messy and stinky. You may complain about the mess it's making, the poor design of the tube and the rediculous people at bmw who thought 15k miles was an acceptable oil change interval. Personally, I whistle while I work.

There is an O-ring where the stick plunges into the oil pan, the ring will usually stay in the pan recess so you'll need to remove it and re-install it on the DS tube before re-assembly. I always replace that O-ring because it's cheap insurance/headache/pissed off customer prevention.

That got out of hand, sorry.

02Pilot
02Pilot New Reader
2/1/09 12:49 p.m.

This write-up is for an E39, but yours should be very similar.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=923117

pigeon
pigeon Reader
2/1/09 1:00 p.m.
  1. That level of oil consumption is considered "normal" but it'd still worry me. My old E46 328i (M52TU single VANOS motor) literally didn't use a drop between 5k mile changes at 160+k miles.

  2. The easy way to know if your oil separator is bad is if the motor surges a bit at cold idle (especially at cold temps) and makes a "honk" noise from idle on accel. Mine was bad, it's a PITA to change it on the E46 (not nearly as much room to work as with an E39) and I didn't want to spend the money so I lived with it until I sold it - but it still didn't use any oil.

Unless the consumption rate's increasing I'd live with it.

02Pilot
02Pilot New Reader
2/1/09 2:57 p.m.
pigeon wrote: The easy way to know if your oil separator is bad is if the motor surges a bit at cold idle (especially at cold temps)

The thinking over on Bimmerforums seems to be that the VANOS seals are to blame for the cold idle surging, not the CCV. That said, both are clearly problem areas once you get into mileages around 100k+. I'll be doing both on my 525i in the spring, along with a few other things.

ea_sport
ea_sport New Reader
2/1/09 10:37 p.m.

Thanks for all the input guys. Other than losing oil, I don't have any other problems as far as idle or acceleration (cold or not) so hopefully it's not the oil separator but I'll keep my eyes and ears open.

ea_sport
ea_sport New Reader
2/18/09 8:57 p.m.

I have a follow-up question if you guys don't mind. Per Mike Miller's, of Roundel and Bimmer, suggestion I did the oil filer cap test to test if the oil separator was bad and noted that when I tried to take the oil filler cap off there was no massive vacuum, the cap was easy to get off, and once it's off there was no giant whooshing sound, that would've indicated oil separator failure. So presumably it's not oil separator problem.

Since oil doesn't leak out to the ground it means that it get burned up in one or more combustion chambers. In this case, oil gets into the combustion chambers either past the piston rings or the valve guide seals. My car is too new for valve guide seal problems, so it comes down to the rings. Mike's guess is, poor break-in procedures and oil change intervals were too long.

Man that's long Having said all that, what do you guys think, is it worth keeping the car for a couple of more years or should I sell it and get another car? Appreciate the input guys.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/18/09 9:13 p.m.

honestly, seems normal for some BMW engines to use a lot of oil or none at all. There does not seem to be a middle ground.

are you following BMW's "no maintance" maintance scheadule or are you actually doing maintaince to the car?

ea_sport
ea_sport New Reader
2/19/09 8:21 p.m.

I bought the car used 2.5 yrs ago at about 55Kmile and it came with a lot of service receipts the most notable being receipt for Inspection 1 and 2. My conclusion based on the receipts that came with the car was that at the very least the car had followed BMW's "no maintenance" maintenance schedule. Since I bought it I've been changing the oil and oil filter every 7500 miles with BMW synthetic 5W-30 oil. Will using BMW synthetic 10W-60 oil reduce the oil consumption and will it have any negative effect? Thanks all.

02Pilot
02Pilot New Reader
2/19/09 11:43 p.m.

Don't use 10w60. You'll find the engine very sluggish and fuel economy will be notably reduced. The BMW 5w30 is a good oil by all accounts if used at sane intervals. German Castrol 0w30 is good as well, and many like Pennzoil Platinum full synthetic 5w30 and Mobil1 0w40. I'm currently using Shell Rotella T 5w40 full synthetic in my M54 at 5000 mile intervals.

docwyte
docwyte New Reader
2/21/09 5:34 p.m.

BMW 10w60 is only for the E46 M3.

Mine uses no oil in between oil changes 5-7k miles.

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