Knurled wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: That 2.0 should bolt up to an NC Miata trans. There's your RWD.Yup. Scuttlebutt is that it is a grenade with the Ecoboost's midrange torque. 350 ft-lb at peak!
A Duratec-powered Ranger trans should work as well. Not as nice as the NC Miata trans, but it would likely be cheaper, and potentially able to handle the torque better.
You could also do a quads 4 rods bellhousing and a tremec if money is of less concern.
alfadriver wrote:Knurled wrote:Where? And who? My googlefu does not come up with these projects.alfadriver wrote: In reply to singleslammer: The equivalent motor is out of a Focus St. Not all that common. And the controller is still close to $2k. Theoretically, I think you can. All the rest of the 2.0l GTDI's are autos- Fusion, Edge, Explorer, Escape... So there would have to be some work to convert it. And I'm not sure which ones of those are actually the same engine as the ST (there are many changes that happened quite quickly)People are running the controller on the mini-ute 2.0s without drama. They don't break so they can be had in junkyards for $300-500 complete.
never mind- I found some.
Knurled wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: That 2.0 should bolt up to an NC Miata trans. There's your RWD.Yup. Scuttlebutt is that it is a grenade with the Ecoboost's midrange torque. 350 ft-lb at peak!
Is that based on people actually breaking them, or just scuttlebutt based on expectations? I can certainly see the potential.
In reply to DeadSkunk:
PM sent.
alfadriver wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: Ah, not the old "if it costs more than I want to spend, it's not Grassroots" thing. I maintain that $10k is a pretty good deal given what you get. It's just that some people aren't willing to pay for that, so they have to downgrade what they get. As for the Alfa, well, eventually it'll do an aircooled 911 and people won't be able to believe you sold it so cheap...It's not so much the absolute cost, but a "what am I getting, and what is it's overall potential" for that money is where I question it. Say, the 2.0 GTDI package- that $9900, and for that you get 250hp/270lb-ft and perhaps up 90lb-ft more at peak tq. So maybe 320hp. But no more than that. A really good alternative to me would be the 2.2l F22C1- which also starts at 240/240. And being what it is, it does not require that I *HAVE* to have the OEM module. And I'd bet one can find one of those for a reasonable cost. Or perhaps a good V6- even the 3.5l or the 3.7l Mustang engine is doable. Basically, in the context of what you are getting, is $9900 a good price for that? I personally don't think so. For the V6, the potential is even more restricted- it is quite tough got get north of 400hp with that engine- it just does not have the pump. Although, with a lot of work, it is capable to 700hp, and will be very at home at LeMans. (Yes, the GT's racing motor is very close to this one- except all the expensive stuff). Either way, it really depends on what you are doing. Somethings it's the absolute right way to go, others- there are better options for the money.
I can get a 525 hp LS3 with controller and a two year warranty for that sort of money as well. But I figured that if you're looking for a 2.0 turbo four, you have a reason. Either due to a knee-jerk anti-pushrod backlash (LS swaps are soooo played out) or for something else like packaging.
The F22C1 (S2000 motor for those who don't want to google it like I did) is a used motor. If you're going to start comparing used to new, then we start digging through Hot Rod Magazine. I'm comparing new to new. Like I said, if you want to spend less you have to downgrade what you're going to get.
In reply to Keith Tanner:
People are swapping used Ecoboost motors. Just like everything else.
I still see potential issues- not as in issues that nobody thought of, but the upper end of what the engine is capable of. But that's just me. I'm not really in the market- but I've been looking at the Ford Performance book since when one could get a Cosworth motor- and thought it was too expensive, too. Probably the cost is what scares me away from doing it. (back when I started, doing a getting a cosworth turbo and putting that into a Merkur seemed like a good idea from the parts catalog)
BTW, the thread actually showed the remaining parts of 3rd gear from a Miata trans. So they are breaking.
Now that I think about it- spending that much money on an engine and putting it into a car that worth a lot less than that is hard to accept. Especially since post swap, it's still not worth the engine. It was easy to spend $5k on an Alfa motor in my GTV. That added value to my car. Maybe that's the part people have issues with.
Some guys I race with just built a fox body Mustang with an ecoboost and a t5. They just had to drill some new bellhousing holes or something. It lined up with two bolts. It's very fast.
Following... I have a 2.0ecoboost from a ST in the garage....
Keith Tanner wrote: I can get a 525 hp LS3 with controller and a two year warranty for that sort of money as well. But I figured that if you're looking for a 2.0 turbo four, you have a reason. Either due to a knee-jerk anti-pushrod backlash (LS swaps are soooo played out) or for something else like packaging.
That much torque and rotational inertia is hard to pedal in a lightweight car.
Then again, I am not a fan of turbos on performance cars for the same reason. I love the turbo setup on my Volvo, the needle goes up to 11 and the car just plain scoots through without effort. But, it isn't a performance car, it never sees more than 6-7/10ths, so I don't have to worry much about throttle modulation aside from accelerating in wet weather. And even then, well, there's traction control.
I'm bringing this thread back from the dead. Any new info on Ecoboost engine management options and/or RWD transmission options? I'm looking from the I3 1.0L to the I4 2.3L.
In reply to hobiercr :
The 2.0s are starting to pop up in the junkyards around me and I recently learned about this as an option for the engine management. Link
It looks like someone made a custom OS in HP Tuners and figured out how to tell the ECU all of the CANbus things are ok. Really not a bad price for a harness and working ECU for a swap.
In reply to RacetruckRon :
Looks like a smoking deal if it works.
In reply to RacetruckRon :
Not quite Challenge budget friendly, which I'm shooting for, but a good option for other builds.
Maybe they'd sell you some of it - less the wiring for example.
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