EvanB wrote: The BRZ in SR wasn't too impressive. Maybe if it was modified a bit and had rally tires it would be able to compete with the Miatas. I think I could have held off the e36 if I had fresh shocks but I was all over the place on Sunday. The course was brutally rough. Maybe next year. Someday I'll come down to the WDCR and show you what a real MR car is like.
If you think nationals was a rough course, you'll definitely need new shocks before you come to Summit ;)
And you beat chris
Or most sites in New England. I didn't see a single rock emerge in Tulsa and ruts were very mild. That said, Sunday's course had some nice bumps and jumps.
irish44j wrote:EvanB wrote: The BRZ in SR wasn't too impressive. Maybe if it was modified a bit and had rally tires it would be able to compete with the Miatas. I think I could have held off the e36 if I had fresh shocks but I was all over the place on Sunday. The course was brutally rough. Maybe next year. Someday I'll come down to the WDCR and show you what a real MR car is like.If you think nationals was a rough course, you'll definitely need new shocks before you come to Summit ;)
If Summit is rougher than the Sunday course at nationals you all are doing something wrong.
fidelity101 wrote: And you beat chris
For the first time!
EvanB wrote:irish44j wrote:If Summit is rougher than the Sunday course at nationals you all are doing something wrong.EvanB wrote: The BRZ in SR wasn't too impressive. Maybe if it was modified a bit and had rally tires it would be able to compete with the Miatas. I think I could have held off the e36 if I had fresh shocks but I was all over the place on Sunday. The course was brutally rough. Maybe next year. Someday I'll come down to the WDCR and show you what a real MR car is like.If you think nationals was a rough course, you'll definitely need new shocks before you come to Summit ;)
What we're talking about may be a different kind of rough, though.
We're red clay, gravel, and rocks. And if the water truck comes out we're on ice, and the bigger rocks come through. We get heavy rutting too, and we have significant elevation changes where water can stand. On any given course we have all of these conditions on the same course and run.
Basically, most Summit courses feel like stage rally courses, but without the dangerous parts. Which is why it's a great venue. It doesn't have giant mounds and big undulations like nationals looked like it did last year. It's the surface itself that is rocky/rutted/hard/rough. So different kind of "rough" That said, we have newer Subies frequently ripping off their front clip. And our PR RX7 using old shocks has his bottom nose ripped to shreds :)
I've watched some rallycross regions where it looks like they're just doing autocross in a big mowed field....that is far from what we do ;)
EvanB wrote: If Summit is rougher than the Sunday course at nationals you all are doing something wrong.
Every WDCR event has maxed out at 60 entries + waitlist this year. If that's doing something wrong, we'll keep doing it wrong ;)
This kind of rough was washboards that just kept the car bucking the whole time. I'm fine with rough courses but this was just due to extremely poor site prep and other factors that shouldn't happen in a regular rallycross site.
EvanB wrote: This kind of rough was washboards that just kept the car bucking the whole time. I'm fine with rough courses but this was just due to extremely poor site prep and other factors that shouldn't happen in a regular rallycross site.
You'd like Summit, if only because you get basically ALL conditions on the same course on the same run (except no fluffy/soft dirt). And they change so quickly with water truck, and then change back fast in the summer when the clay bakes. Our Barn course in mid-summer is like tarmac where you can lay down rubber. Like a bad road under construction :)
I want you to come down. No Miatas run in our region, so I'm just curious 
Oh I'll be down.
you guys will like our MR class.....for this Sunday it's the largest class with 12 cars (60 total)
MR
2 Chris Nonack Not Mine 1984 BMW e30 Thanks Josh
16 Eric Helgesen Blue 1987 BMW 325e Dirty E30s
19 James Spoth Blue 1987 BMW 325e Dirty E30s
44 Josh H. Oreo 1985 BMW 318is M42 Dirty E30s, CondorSpeedShop, MotorsportHardware
47 Patrick Henry Yellow/Blue 1987 BMW 325 subaruaudio.net
72 Torren Carlson Dark Gray 2013 Subaru BRZ
82 Roberto Moreton Red/Charcoal 1988 Mazda RX7 Bilbo Automotive
85 Nick D. Poo Brown 1988 BMW 528e Joe's Professional Auto Care
86 Henry Stafford White 1987 Porsche 944 www.chainclocks.com
182 Margarita Rocha-Santos Red/Charcoal 1988 Mazda RX7 Bilbo Automotive .com
186 Eric Kelly White 1987 Porsche 944
471 Jason Reynolds Blue/Yellow 1987 BMW 325e Dirty E30
We should have a story on all this in the next issue. Congrats guys. We need to build another rallycross car. We made the Benz too nice to run it anymore.
mazdeuce wrote: The BRZ had fastest run in SR by 2.5 seconds. The car had never been in the dirt before practice and there was a very steep learning curve about how the electronics on the car would act.
Technically, it wasn't until Saturday afternoon before it saw dirt... it was all mud before that.
Fat snow tires are slicks on mud, I don't care how much the electronics are or aren't figured out.
MF winner was running mud tires on the front and gravels on the back. His strategy (which I had plenty of time to talk to him with at the starting line) was that they were changing the course so much that he (being first car out) would be the first to drive on fresh loose soft dirt. It worked.
EvanB wrote: This kind of rough was washboards that just kept the car bucking the whole time.
That's where you would want a 3-linked solid axle with about 50-60% antisquat so that the tires are driven into the grip instead of bouncing around all over the place.
Note that the only times I've beat you this year were at Roos' Farm. (And one of those times, you beat Chris... on a course he designed to be Nationals-like)
EvanB wrote:fidelity101 wrote: And you beat chrisFor the first time!
thats one hell of a place to do it too! Let the bragging begin!!!!
EvanB wrote: Oh I'll be down.
I have a friend in that area I should visit too...
EvanB wrote:fidelity101 wrote: And you beat chrisFor the first time!
Yeah, you kicked his butt!
Oh, wait....
Nice work Evan! Thanks for letting me drive it again.
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