S2000 definitely caused it and shouldn't have put himself in there, but an attentive driver in the Miata could easily have avoided making contact.
S2000 definitely caused it and shouldn't have put himself in there, but an attentive driver in the Miata could easily have avoided making contact.
In reply to pinchvalve:
I first wondered about that "tank top" from the 70's. Too funny.
Some of the comments on youtube make me glad I do not do HPDE
If that happened in HPDE the S2000 driver should've been sent home. More than likely he was driving marginally before this and it should've been nipped in the bud early.
Yes, when driving an underpowered car you should always be looking in your mirrors. That said, its the leading cars line, they don't have to cede it. As others have said, its incumbent on the passing car to make a clean, safe pass.
^ Yeah. That. I drive a 90whp miata. I watch my mirrors nonstop but guess what? I paid for my tracktime just like you did. If I pointed everybody by instantly there would be sessions where I wouldn't have a single clean lap. Also, I'm learning... I'm watching my line more carefully than I'm trying to let others go by. Sometimes, I will make somebody wait for a turn... maybe even 2.
Be patient. It's not racing. I will point you by. Always. I have to have this convo a few times per weekend with people in the Intermediate group. I see you, I'll point you by, but our corner speed difference is NOT significant. Wait for the straights.
It's comforting to see that I agree with the GRM pack on this. The only thing that I can add is that there are so many track day organisations at this point, that are self-policing, which makes this E36 M3 more likely to happen. My speakers aren't working, does he mention who the organizer was?
If you cant afford to punt it, dont put it on the track.
S2k Owners are only tenths of a percent below Bimmer owners on the OMFG-YOURE-A-DOUCHE scale. Whiney dickstains who wear those powder puff tanks can GDIAF for all I care.
Im in a mood
In reply to 4cylndrfury:
5 or 10 years ago, there was a video with a SK2 owner at Willow Springs ranting about how his was a real sports car versus FWD drivers which were gussied up commuter cars. Subsequently, while dicing with an early 90s Civic his SK2 slid off the track and down an embankment. I LOL'd.
I really shouldn't comment until my car is finished and I get it out on a track for testing and have an idea if what it's really like, but I too was kind of comforted to find that I was in agreement with the rest of the comments here.
Since he seems to believe that he wasn't at fault, wonder why wouldn't the passing driver just show the in-car camera feed to the official who didn't see the incident and get a decision then and there rather than resorting to "social media" as he is? The driver who was clipped would probably have a go-pro or some sort of device as well. The film from two different angles wouldn't lie and the official would have all of the information necessary to make any decision needed.
I agree, it was the S2000's fault. He seems to think that pulling that divebombing move is OK because in the past people have managed to get out of the way. Stripey shirt man is basically pissed that that the Miata driver didn't save him from the consequence of his own bad decision. Life will be full of very hard lessons for people like this. Out of some kind of sick curiosity I went ahead and read the youtube comments: Its a little scary how people who completely don't get it also seem to have access to very, very fast cars.
I secretly love when posting "gotcha" videos backfire like this did!
Both drivers should be directed to this thread.
Racing should be racing and HPDE should be HPDE.
This is why open passing in corners in an HPDE setting makes no sense.
It's pretty clear the Miata guy was approaching this like a NASA SM race. He took his line, but still left 2/3 of a car width between himself and the curbing. You want to pass me here? Be my guest: take the dirt.
The S2K Bro is just charging around like a fire in the douche aisle at Walgreens. He's expecting everyone to get out of his way, won't even consider dropping two wheels off, and probably doesn't even realize he dive-bombed the Miata guy.
4cylndrfury wrote: If you cant afford to punt it, dont put it on the track. S2k Owners are only tenths of a percent below Bimmer owners on the OMFG-YOURE-A-DOUCHE scale.
TRIGGERED! If I were a few tenths less douchey, I'd own an S2k and a Bimmer. ;)
I didn't watch. If you're either party involved in contact incident at HPDE you should be embarrassed not angry.
My favorite safety steward briefing of all time started something like this: "Neither NASCAR nor Formula One scout our events, so it is unlikely it will be worth it if your vehicle leaves on a wrecker. Consequently, here are the rules . . . . "
EDIT: Watched a little more until I couldn't stand it anymore. He also missed the number one HDPE rule - always give space to a car with multi-colored body panels.
4cylndrfury wrote: S2k Owners are only tenths of a percent below Bimmer owners on the OMFG-YOURE-A-DOUCHE scale. Whiney dickstains who wear those powder puff tanks can GDIAF for all I care.
On the one hand, this is almost as bad as some of the Metube comments about Miata drivers...But on the other hand, this guy appears to own an S2k and a BMW. LOL
Kreb wrote: ... My speakers aren't working, does he mention who the organizer was?
He doesn't that I heard, but SpeedSF and SpeedVentures are the usual suspects for badly policed TrackDays in SoCal.
NASA is the one you want to run with around here for HPDE - much safer in my experience.
Tyler H wrote: I didn't watch. If you're either party involved in contact incident at HPDE you should be embarrassed not angry.
I didn't watch either as the image he chose as the screen cap was enough to know where this was going and I don't provide views to that type of behavior.
That said you're right. If I'm reading this right he should have been immediately ejected for that behavior and should be publicly shamed for making the behavior that resulted in the contact in an HPDE.
LanEvo wrote: Racing should be racing and HPDE should be HPDE. This is why open passing in corners in an HPDE setting makes no sense. It's pretty clear the Miata guy was approaching this like a NASA SM race. He took his line, but still left 2/3 of a car width between himself and the curbing. You want to pass me here? Be my guest: take the dirt. The S2K Bro is just charging around like a fire in the douche aisle at Walgreens. He's expecting everyone to get out of his way, won't even consider dropping two wheels off, and probably doesn't even realize he dive-bombed the Miata guy.
The one argument I've heard for open passing in an HPDE setting is that makes some sense to me is that it can be a good way to get some passing experience before moving to W2W racing. I'm not sure I agree with that but I do think that it's at least a valid argument.
This video however, is a pretty strong argument against that practice.
WRL is racing and Joey and crew look very, very poorly on contact.
The0retical wrote: That said you're right. If I'm reading this right he should have been immediately ejected for that behavior and should be publicly shamed for making the behavior that resulted in the contact in an HPDE.
You did read that correctly. In addition the Miata driver should have been booted for ignoring the black flag. Frankly, neither of those guys seem like anyone I'd want to spend any time with or meet on the race track.
Was that an HPDE day? Wouldn't it be for high performance cars of pretty much equal horsepower and performance? Are the Miata and S2000 equals or would the Miata always be in the way at something like this? Is this sort of mishap a growing problem due to a disparity between the competing drivers and cars or is it just a random collision.
Trying to understand and learn before I eventually head out onto a race track.
S2000 guy says several times that this isn't a race and Miata guy should have left him room or words to that effect. Indeed it is not a race, s2000 guy had no need to get by Miata guy in that manner. It's not like s2000 guy is going to chase down the leader after executeing the pass.
I drive a 400-hp Mustang. I wave people by like it's my job. (Because it is. I'm slow.)
My experience... DE events don't allow passing in a turn, and you shouldn't pass until given a pass point by. Sure you should watch your mirrors, but keep in mind it's not actual racing and sometimes you might have to wait a little to pass. Stay calm and drive... If your going to get all excited during a DE event, then you shouldn't move up to actual racing.
In reply to Two_Tools_In_a_Tent:
Title of the event doesn't relate to the vehicles' performance (it's supposedly high performance driver's ed) so you could have cars running together with significant differences in capability. More an issue of poor judgement/discipline than anything else Collisions are not random unless there is equipment failure.
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