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HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
6/3/15 12:18 p.m.
kanaric wrote: It would be funny to put this into like a Merkur or some kind of fox body.

http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,106139

You were saying?

carczar_84
carczar_84 Reader
6/3/15 12:20 p.m.

So, so many ideas for that motor. Locost build, or desert pre-runner are the first two that come to mind....

ultraclyde
ultraclyde UltraDork
6/3/15 12:21 p.m.

Is it wrong I'm thinking about that motor to replace the 302 in my tow Explorer? It only makes something like 211 HP and 300ftlbs when new...

kb58
kb58 Dork
6/3/15 12:47 p.m.

If I was building Midlana today, this engine would be at or near the top of the list for drivetrains.

That said, what's unclear is whether the ECU can be tuned beyond what it is. Say the owner wants to run on E85, or changes the exhaust, or the intake, is tuning easy or impossible?

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
6/3/15 12:53 p.m.
kb58 wrote: If I was building Midlana today, this engine would be at or near the top of the list for drivetrains. That said, what's unclear is whether the ECU can be tuned beyond what it is. Say the owner wants to run on E85, or changes the exhaust, or the intack, is tuning easy or impossible?

I actually asked about that some time ago- and the answer was no.

So me, this would make a really nice research engine for schools. IF they were able to change the calibration.

stanger_missle
stanger_missle GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/3/15 2:02 p.m.
kanaric wrote: Wondering about transmissions as well. It would be funny to put this into like a Merkur or some kind of fox body. Or something completely different.... like a Starion.

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.

A modern retro SVO inspired Fox body? hmmmm

Type Q
Type Q Dork
6/3/15 2:14 p.m.

I was looking at one of those for a Miata swap.

The biggest challenge may not be the transmission. The NC gearbox reportedly bolts to it. It looks like the direct injection hardware could be a PITA. I have not done measurements but, it looks like the high pressure injector pump is mounted on the cylinder head and sticks out past the flywheel. To make it fit you would either have to cut pocket into the firewall for it or mount the engine further forward in the car than the stock motor.

kanaric
kanaric Dork
6/3/15 2:23 p.m.
stanger_missle wrote:
kanaric wrote: Wondering about transmissions as well. It would be funny to put this into like a Merkur or some kind of fox body. Or something completely different.... like a Starion.
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir. A modern retro SVO inspired Fox body? hmmmm

That would be a great restomod. I'm sure there are a few SVOs out there that would be good candidates for this.

kanaric
kanaric Dork
6/3/15 2:28 p.m.
alfadriver wrote:
kb58 wrote: If I was building Midlana today, this engine would be at or near the top of the list for drivetrains. That said, what's unclear is whether the ECU can be tuned beyond what it is. Say the owner wants to run on E85, or changes the exhaust, or the intack, is tuning easy or impossible?
I actually asked about that some time ago- and the answer was no. So me, this would make a really nice research engine for schools. IF they were able to change the calibration.
Harness includes OBD-II diagnostic port to assist in vehicle calibration upload and problem diagnosis.

Seems to imply it can be tuned. It mentions "ford racing" software or something a few lines below that.

JoeTR6
JoeTR6 Reader
6/3/15 2:34 p.m.

I'd love to drop one of these into a 1973 Capri with some RS2600 style fender flares. Even better if the solid rear axle could be dumped for something like a Miata rear subframe. Stop giving me these crazy ideas, please.

kanaric
kanaric Dork
6/3/15 2:41 p.m.

Kind of want to look what a RX8 with blow rotary goes for right now lol. I need to save money.

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
6/3/15 3:03 p.m.

In reply to kanaric: Ask about changing the calibration.

If you get a positive answer, I need to have one sent to a university.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
6/3/15 3:24 p.m.

Oh that has Falcon or Cortina resto-mod written all over it. Maybe an AC Bristol kit car. Or a SPITFIRE!!!! Maybe install it in a Fiesta ST......or maybe a 65 Mustang coupe.

or an E30!!!! Maybe a Gremlin! Yeah Waynes world roasting the tires.

A boxster swap would be cool too! Since the Boxster transaxle can't handle the torq from a V8, maybe this should work well.

Yeah that is a great exocet/midlandia/Locost motor

EcoBoost ALL THE THINGS!!!!

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
6/3/15 6:20 p.m.
Apexcarver wrote: I was browsing through Ford Racing's site and happened across this http://fordperformanceracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=25303 What is it? a 2.0L Ecoboost crate WITH ENGINE MANAGEMENT for about $6k EcoBoost Engine from 2013-2014 Ford Focus ST Production rating of 252 Horsepower @ 5,500 RPM Production rating of 270 lb. ft. of torque @ 3,000 RPM When used with Engine Control Pack M-6017-20T and 93 octane unleaded fuel, torque is increased 90 lb. ft at 2800 RPM - with a significant increase up to 4200 RPM. See the power curve for PN M-6017-20T Am I reading this right? 270lb-ft + 90 = 362lb-ft!!! Stupid ideas are abounding, thats not a bad price for a crate.

Now that's a spicy mid-range.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
6/3/15 6:27 p.m.
Type Q wrote: I was looking at one of those for a Miata swap. The biggest challenge may not be the transmission. The NC gearbox reportedly bolts to it. It looks like the direct injection hardware could be a PITA. I have not done measurements but, it looks like the high pressure injector pump is mounted on the cylinder head and sticks out past the flywheel. To make it fit you would either have to cut pocket into the firewall for it or mount the engine further forward in the car than the stock motor.

Did someone say cut?

nepa03focus
nepa03focus HalfDork
6/3/15 7:24 p.m.

I would want to do a 2wd stepside ranger, kind of like a mini lightening, or a maverick

Driven5
Driven5 Dork
6/3/15 9:08 p.m.
kanaric wrote: Kind of want to look what a RX8 with blow rotary goes for right now lol. I need to save money.

OMG...This!

NOHOME
NOHOME UltraDork
6/3/15 9:17 p.m.

Can I put one in the FRS?

HappyAndy
HappyAndy UberDork
6/3/15 9:30 p.m.
kanaric wrote: Kind of want to look what a RX8 with blow rotary goes for right now lol. I need to save money.

It would be hilarious if FoMoCo made a kit for this, and began advertising it on rotary enthusiasts web forums.

wspohn
wspohn HalfDork
6/3/15 9:53 p.m.

The modern turbo engines are easily tunable with software. A $200 tune added to a GM LNF Ecotec gets your from 260 bhp/260 Tq to 320 bhp/340 Tq. And that is only the start!

Advan046
Advan046 SuperDork
6/3/15 9:53 p.m.

Hmm this looks like another OEM special powertrain parts "available to the public" for $6k but in reality they somehow only get sold to targeted racing teams. Then fade from the catalog.

But they do have the $8k product in stock and ready to ship!

Hope that isn't how it goes.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
6/3/15 10:56 p.m.

I have seen this same kit on multiple sites for similar price since this thread started

ssswitch
ssswitch Reader
6/3/15 11:02 p.m.

Man, I didn't realize they were selling it with the control pack.

The usual Fox-body fantasies flitted through my mind, for sure. I think it'd be fun to slap this in a 60s or 70s Ford and have more power than the stock V8 with enough room in the engine bay to sleep in.

mr2peak
mr2peak GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/4/15 12:33 a.m.

This would make a leathal X1/9

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
6/4/15 6:26 a.m.

Shoe horn one in a 914

OOOOHHHHHHHH, that would be a proper engine for the 4 cylinder Lotus Esprit or a Europa

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