Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/21 12:05 p.m.

Twice in the last couple weeks, while slowly turning a corner, I've encountered a strong oscillation in the steering wheel. It only last a couple seconds until the steering is straightened out, but when it happens it feels like a front wheel is about to fall off. 

I've found a number of links online about Ford "death-wobble", but that's not what I'm experiencing. It's been fine at highway speeds. I did find 2 people who had the same symptoms I do, but there was never a resolution posted. 

Before I climb underneath it, is there anything unusual I should check(other than the obvious steering links, bushings, wheel bearings, etc)?

Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter)
Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
3/10/21 12:24 p.m.

Check out the steering column bearings, super common failure on them. Could be what your feeling. 

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/21 12:30 p.m.

In reply to Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter) :

Oh wow, I definitely wouldn't have thought to check those - thanks!

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
3/10/21 12:40 p.m.

Oof, never did that to me. surprise

If it only happens while turning, could it be a failing power steering fluid pump or low fluid? You might be feeling a pulsating loss of assist more than a wobble.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/21 1:09 p.m.

Belt separating in a tire?

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
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3/10/21 1:10 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard :

That's a good idea Tom. I'll check it & report back. It's rather violent when it happens, I'm not sure if a PS pump is capable of generating a feedback loop like that?

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
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3/10/21 1:12 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

I don't think so. The tires are a bit noisy & according to the tire shop they're beyond the point that rotating them would help(oops...I'd been meaning to do that for over a year), but they didn't cause any problem on our recent ~1700mi trip. 
 

Edit: the PS level is actually high(with the engine off, I didn't start it), it's up to the top of the reservoir, which is above the max fill line. I've not checked it for about a year, would pump failure cause the fluid to read high?

bentwrench
bentwrench SuperDork
3/10/21 1:32 p.m.

Lift kit?

 

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/21 1:37 p.m.

In reply to bentwrench :

It's stock height. 

FMB42
FMB42 New Reader
3/10/21 2:23 p.m.

I'd start with 4 new tires and go from there.

WillG80
WillG80 GRM+ Memberand Reader
3/10/21 2:47 p.m.

I'd try rotating tires front/back and seeing if there's a change.  

Purple Frog (Forum Supporter)
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
3/10/21 3:14 p.m.

I have a 2008 E350.  What year and model do you have?

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/21 3:46 p.m.

In reply to Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) :

It's an 06 E250 2wd/4.6. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/10/21 9:48 p.m.
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

I don't think so. The tires are a bit noisy & according to the tire shop they're beyond the point that rotating them would help(oops...I'd been meaning to do that for over a year), but they didn't cause any problem on our recent ~1700mi trip. 

I can dig it.  I personally would try a rotation just because it's free.

I will also add this.  My Fordzda Branger has some strange steering issues caused by what I think is a worn out steering box.  If I'm doing something like getting on a cloverleaf exit ramp and have a long sweeping turn, the steering has a "hump" in it and going back and forth causes this kind of darting sensation.

I'm not overly familiar with the exact steering box (but I'm assuming it's a saginaw).  Control valve sticking?

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/10/21 9:50 p.m.
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) said:

I have a 2008 E350.  What year and model do you have?

IIRC, you have the first of the new stuff.  I think the traditional twin I-beam econolines quit after 2007

mjrj (Forum Supporter)
mjrj (Forum Supporter) Reader
3/10/21 11:06 p.m.

Check the I-beam axle bushings they're probably torn or worn out.  I replaced some on a co-workers 2012 E150 to stop it from going into death wobble.  I know moog makes bushings.  Best to check the front end over.

Antihero (Forum Supporter)
Antihero (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
3/10/21 11:20 p.m.

I had an older van e series van that did something similar, turns out it was very worn King pins and low tires. I wouldn't say it was oscillating as much as pulsing. It was also at highway speeds and a bit puckering.

 

We just got the van for work at a stupid low price and I thought I could get a little time out of the king pins before replacing them, turns out to be no.

 

But a local shop said they could do them for a very low price , $120? I think so a slight win that I didn't have to do them.

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/11/21 8:56 a.m.

In reply to mjrj (Forum Supporter) :

Tom installed poly bushings not that long ago, but that's not to say something couldn't have happened to them.

I did check the steering shaft bearings as best I could. The steering is actually tight, with no dead spot in the middle & no wobble of the steering column in any direction. 

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
3/11/21 8:57 a.m.

Yeah, and the van got a reman steering box when I did the poly bushings, too. 

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/11/21 8:09 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Yeah it definitely doesn't drive like a Ford van now. I honestly wish I could take it out on track at Nola. 

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