stylngle2003 said:Horner quipped to Karun this morning that he took all the corners that Mercedes complained about and made them suit their car :-P
Tongue-in-cheek, for certain, but funny nonetheless. A half-truth, if not more, in his mind.
Watching intently with my two boys. One is team-lulu, the other (whose name is Max, but also 3) is rooting for his eponymous hero
If Toto uttered those words, they would be "mind games".
alfadriver said:stylngle2003 said:Horner quipped to Karun this morning that he took all the corners that Mercedes complained about and made them suit their car :-P
Tongue-in-cheek, for certain, but funny nonetheless. A half-truth, if not more, in his mind.
Watching intently with my two boys. One is team-lulu, the other (whose name is Max, but also 3) is rooting for his eponymous hero
If Toto uttered those words, they would be "mind games".
It's all mind games. None of these guys say anything publicly without some kind of agenda behind it.
That will make it interesting tomorrow. At least the worry of a crash going into turn one is a little less- unless Max messes up bad with the start. Will starting on the softs mean a 2 stop race? Or will it let him just run away?
The Red Bull Q3 strategy seemed like t was leaps and bounds better than Mercedes. I don't understand why you don't send Bottas out to give a tow?
well done by Red Bull and Max.
I think Merc isn't concerned. Lewis is starting on mediums, Max on softs, the first tire change will see Lewis go longer.
Also, if you were Lewis, would you really want Max behind you going into turn one, lap one?
Ooo, it's going to be a strategy race. This is interesting. And yeah, less chance of a turn one fracas although seeing Max up front is going to be stressful for me :)
KT you'll survive sheeesh........
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Lewis laughed and said "I'm grateful I can see where he is and we can navigate from there" about starting on the front row in P2 after qualy lol.
I'd much rather be in front of Max. At least then, it would be obvious that he took me out. I bet Max over slows the corner and hopes for carnage behind him while he drives off.
I thought Hamilton had it wrapped up after Q1 and Q2. That lap that Max pulled out was impressive.
Wondering if I'll be able to drag my rear out of bed early Sunday morning to watch live. I hit the snooze this morning for qualifying, so I'm doubting it.....
-Rob
I think even more relevant is where everyone else is. Perez is behind Lewis and Bottas is back in 6th. Perez also towed Max in qualifying and Bottas didn't do anything for Lewis. The teamwork and or lack thereof could play a role.
Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:I think even more relevant is where everyone else is. Perez is behind Lewis and Bottas is back in 6th. Perez also towed Max in qualifying and Bottas didn't do anything for Lewis. The teamwork and or lack thereof could play a role.
That's going to depend on what happens at the start. Norris is starting P3 and the McLarens have been difficult to pass on track this year. If they stay in grid spot order then I expect that by the time of the first pit stop we'll see a 5-10 second gap between Hamilton and Norris.
rob_lewis said:I thought Hamilton had it wrapped up after Q1 and Q2. That lap that Max pulled out was impressive.
The commentators were making a big deal out of the tow from Perez. If that was the deciding factor, then I think it's the first time I've seen someone actually pull off something like that to a good effect. Ferrari used to try it a lot, but it basically never worked.
In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :
Max said it didn't really matter but you have to give them credit, they executed it perfectly. He got the full tow and then Perez jumped out at the perfect time. It was impressive coordination
Did anyone else notice that both Red Bull Cars were fastest on the straights?
Seems the Honda Engine isn't so bad at all.
If Perez locks up his Brakes into Turn 1 and hits Lewis, can they punish Max?? That would make a mess!
Gzwg said:Did anyone else notice that both Red Bull Cars were fastest on the straights?
Seems the Honda Engine isn't so bad at all.
It all depends on how much wing is on the the car.
I really don't know what happens if a team has one car deliberately crash to benefit the other. The closest was probably Piquet Jr crashing at Singapore in 2008 to bring out a safety car to benefit Alonso. They wound up penalizing him but there were no consequences for Alonso even though most people figured he had to have been in on the plan. That wasn't anywhere close to a championship decider, though.
In reply to Gzwg :
I think Red Bull and Max decided to go into quali on the assumption that they would not take pole, so they trimmed the wing enough to give Max the straight line speed he would need in the race to pass Lewis.
Gzwg said:
If Perez locks up his Brakes into Turn 1 and hits Lewis, can they punish Max?? That would make a mess!
If they follow the standard set by Valtteri at Hungary, no.
But as the season has progressed the penalties have become less and less clear cut, especially depending on which teams are involved.
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:rob_lewis said:I thought Hamilton had it wrapped up after Q1 and Q2. That lap that Max pulled out was impressive.
The commentators were making a big deal out of the tow from Perez. If that was the deciding factor, then I think it's the first time I've seen someone actually pull off something like that to a good effect. Ferrari used to try it a lot, but it basically never worked.
I wonder if Perez towed with his DRS closed? Does anyone have access to a replay?
Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:codrus (Forum Supporter) said:rob_lewis said:I thought Hamilton had it wrapped up after Q1 and Q2. That lap that Max pulled out was impressive.
The commentators were making a big deal out of the tow from Perez. If that was the deciding factor, then I think it's the first time I've seen someone actually pull off something like that to a good effect. Ferrari used to try it a lot, but it basically never worked.
I wonder if Perez towed with his DRS closed? Does anyone have access to a replay?
I looked for that, and no, he used the DRS as usual.
SnowMongoose said:Gzwg said:
If Perez locks up his Brakes into Turn 1 and hits Lewis, can they punish Max?? That would make a mess!
If they follow the standard set by Valtteri at Hungary, no.
But as the season has progressed the penalties have become less and less clear cut, especially depending on which teams are involved.
You certainly don't penalize one teammate for an honest mistake by the other.
I could be wrong, but thanks to the opening tires that everyone has, I think if there is passing, it will be the non-satisfactory way- aka pitting.
And I would almost wager that RBR will go 2, and attack at the end. But since they have burned all of their mediums, it will be soft-hard-hard. Whereas it will be medium- hard for Mercedes. If Lewis can keep close on the first stint, it will be interesting.
I can't help but think Lewis knows something we don't because he wears his heart on his sleeve and it was obvious that he wasn't even a little bothered by starting in 2nd. He must have a plan that he's pretty confident about and I suspect it has something to do with the tires he is starting on. Whoever wins the Championship deserves it. It's been a great season, this thread is going to hit 100 pages before we start the 2022 thread
I'm taking no chances I bought a Red Bull model and I keep stabbing the left rear tire with pins..........I've got nothing against Verstappen but I'm taking no chances.
Should be an interesting race; fingers crossed. Again it's been a great season.
In reply to Tom1200 :
My strategy is to bet real money on Max winning because I'm jinxed and NEVER win bets on sports
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