Formula 1-2022 Season

I did the trial for F1tv, I liked there commentary I switched between the two during the race. I liked that you can switch between the different screens and on board views, but I learned that if you are running behind the coverage and switch the views, it takes you to live, which kind of sucked and I had to rewind back. It was suggested before to have a Laptop or other running at the same time which I could have done but didn't What I like about the ESPN APP or just the ESPN channel is I can either select the race or hop on the channel and have it ready to go when it starts. Where as the F1TV app you have to wait and select it. I am usually doing like 3-4 different things so it's just a convenience. $80 is the cheapest so far but I really wish ESPN+ would stop being worthless and just show the races. Anyways I am glad I was able to watch the race. I have some parts that I need to sell so perhaps I will just sell them and put the money towards F1Tv.

I was traveling yesterday so I only watched the race on F1 tv. That is probably my favorite reason for having it. I watched 4 or 5 races last year while on the road or camping. Martin Brundle was not the commentator. Is he out this year or is the broadcast different on F1 and ESPN this year? I thought they were the same last year but I could be remembering wrong. 

From a friend of mine about the F1 race and the NASCAR event at COTA:

In both races, the #1 and #16 car battled for the win

In both cases, the #1 car won

In both cases, the #1 car had a Mexican teammate who started on the front row AND led 15 laps

LIZARD PEOPLE CONSPIRACY CONFIRMED

In reply to Chris_V :

AJ was pretty mad when he was bumped out of first though.

trigun7469 said:

In reply to Chris_V :

AJ was pretty mad when he was bumped out of first though.

Well, he did kinda bump his way INTO first, so... ;)

Vegas, baby!  

The race will be on the strip on a Saturday night.

Which means that there will mostly be massive high rollers there.  Somewhat like choosing Miami vs an actual track.

While I appreciate having a third race in the US, it's far, far, far from accessible to the normal F1 fan.  I would not be shocked to learn that it would be cheaper to fly to Spa and go to the race than driving to Vegas (not including gas costs).   Hotels will be insanely expensive, and tickets the same, I'm sure.

November 2023.  (which means the end of the season will be packed with a lot of travel)

In reply to alfadriver :

They making Vegas the Monaco of the US? I wonder what support races will be there.

I think that Vegas is a better choice for the  spectacle than Miami but I don't know if the US "deserves" three races. No one else has 3 and I suspect the European fan base dwarfs ours. It also has to be a huge burden in the teams to come here 3x. Also if the races are afternoon races the timing stinks like starting at midnight not something like that. 

alfadriver said:

Vegas, baby!  

The race will be on the strip on a Saturday night.

Which means that there will mostly be massive high rollers there.  Somewhat like choosing Miami vs an actual track.

While I appreciate having a third race in the US, it's far, far, far from accessible to the normal F1 fan.  I would not be shocked to learn that it would be cheaper to fly to Spa and go to the race than driving to Vegas (not including gas costs).   Hotels will be insanely expensive, and tickets the same, I'm sure.

November 2023.  (which means the end of the season will be packed with a lot of travel)

Vegas has something like 150k hotel rooms. No way F1 fills that much space, though the usual Vegas crowd will be there, of course. In any case, if you want to stay cheap, I'm sure you'll be able to, and every discount airline has flights there, so I can't see it being that pricey.

I'm not a big Vegas guy, having been there a bunch of times for work, but I must admit the cars will look cool going down the strip at night.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

While I fully agree that it wont fill it up, I also think that the hotels will take advantage of the people coming and raise prices for the weekend quite a bit.  F1 attracts some very high rollers.

In terms of the race, I'm betting it will look like Singapore- but with more lights.  Which should be cool.

NY Nick said:

I think that Vegas is a better choice for the  spectacle than Miami but I don't know if the US "deserves" three races. No one else has 3 and I suspect the European fan base dwarfs ours. It also has to be a huge burden in the teams to come here 3x. Also if the races are afternoon races the timing stinks like starting at midnight not something like that. 

Comparing the US to the EU- they have 10 races to the proposed 3 in the US.  Relative to individual countries, at least Italy has 2.

The timing is odd- a Saturday night race in Vegas...  If they run at midnight, that will be 8am in England.  Which kind of pionts to the local high rollers are who they are appealing to over the European TV viewers.

alfadriver said:

NY Nick said:

I think that Vegas is a better choice for the  spectacle than Miami but I don't know if the US "deserves" three races. No one else has 3 and I suspect the European fan base dwarfs ours. It also has to be a huge burden in the teams to come here 3x. Also if the races are afternoon races the timing stinks like starting at midnight not something like that. 

Comparing the US to the EU- they have 10 races to the proposed 3 in the US.  Relative to individual countries, at least Italy has 2.

The timing is odd- a Saturday night race in Vegas...  If they run at midnight, that will be 8am in England.  Which kind of pionts to the local high rollers are who they are appealing to over the European TV viewers.

The race will apparently start at 10 pm Saturday Vegas time so for the NA east coast it will be a late night if you want to stay up and watch it. It does land the race in a similar time slot to the races in Australia and Japan though for the European audience. 

Vegas has a major high roller event about every 20 minutes. There are loads of stupid expensive hotel options, and a huge number of cheap options. It's not going to be difficult or unusually expensive to attend unless you want to watch the cars from your window.

Midnight is probably an attempt to not completely jack up traffic. The strip doesn't close often. It also puts the broadcast at a good time for EU audiences. 

I'll be interested to see what the layout looks like. 

While I'm sure I won't go because of prices, I think it's wicked cool they're going to Vegas.  I hope the strip and surrounding streets will be good enough or repaved to make an exciting race.  Proposed layout is kinda simple, but that'll mean some exciting high speeds. 

I wonder how it'll work out.  I know Miami was sold out quickly, but heard that was because it was mainly grandstand seats with very little open seating tickets like COTA has.  Given how packed Vegas is, it'll be interesting to see if the same thing applies.  I'm confident they'll sell out just as quickly by pulling west coasters.  Hoping it doesn't ring the death knell for COTA.  Part of me thinks Miami and Vegas will pull the high rollers, kinda like Monaco, and COTA will pull the average fan because prices are cheaper and easier to get.  Only time will tell.  All of it assuming the races go off well and aren't a total E36 M3 show. 

A race in November tells me it'll be slotted around COTA and Mexico, making it much easier on the teams.  Not this year, but in the future, I could see Miami and Canada being scheduled together and then COTA, Mexico, Vegas later in the year. 

Supporting races will be interesting.  SKUSA (probably the biggest karting body in the U.S.) always has their SuperNationals in Vegas in November.  I'd be cool if they could figure out a way to work with F1 for a dual event.  Only problem would be SuperNats is a 4-day event, with practice/racing the full 4 days. 

Glad to see F1 increasing it's presence in the U.S.  Now they just need a U.S. driver for us 'murican's to cheer for.  :D

Proposed track layout:

-Rob

I hope Roger Penske is offering Indycar as a support race...  He needs the exposure and it would be a magnetism multiplier for US Fans...

Thanks for that! Lots of hotel rooms with a view of the track. But I continue to believe that accommodations will not be hard to get for a reasonable price if you're willing to transport yourself a few blocks. Traffic will be even worse than usual, though, with Sands, Flamingo and Harmon all closed. And it looks like the 1-4 complex will be special construction.

I wonder how easy it will be to actually spectate? Room for a lot of grandstands there, but that's where the potential expense lies. I don't know about today, but 5 years ago COTA was very accessible as a GA ticket, you could walk all over the place. With the walls that have to be built around a street circuit, I suspect you wouldn't be able to see much unless you have a hotel room or a grandstand seat.

stroker said:

I hope Roger Penske is offering Indycar as a support race...  He needs the exposure and it would be a magnetism multiplier for US Fans...

Indy car fans: why are our cars so much slower?
F1 fans: why do they keep passing each other?

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Keith Tanner said:

Thanks for that! Lots of hotel rooms with a view of the track. But I continue to believe that accommodations will not be hard to get for a reasonable price if you're willing to transport yourself a few blocks. Traffic will be even worse than usual, though, with Sands, Flamingo and Harmon all closed. And it looks like the 1-4 complex will be special construction.

I wonder how easy it will be to actually spectate? Room for a lot of grandstands there, but that's where the potential expense lies. I don't know about today, but 5 years ago COTA was very accessible as a GA ticket, you could walk all over the place. With the walls that have to be built around a street circuit, I suspect you wouldn't be able to see much unless you have a hotel room or a grandstand seat.

 

I appreciate your optimism.  But Vegas is easily one of the greediest places on the planet.  So it's hard to be optimistic that every hotel room will not have an F1 surcharge.  Even when the actual usage will be a very small part of the total rooms.

I think you're overstating the size of F1 in Vegas versus, say SEMA or CES. Vegas people know this game, the big hotels will offer big dollar rooms and all the off-strip hotels will offer cheap rates to grab people because the only way to differentiate between little off-strip hotels when shopping online is on price. It's amazing how much cheaper things are when you get more than a block from the main part of the strip.inda like how you can still pay $87 for a ribeye at the Bellagio or get steak and lobster for $12 on Fremont.

Staying further north near Nellis is usually really cheap. Heck, stay in Primm and blast down the interstate to get to Vegas.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I know it will be small- at best it will be in the 100k spectator range and maybe a few thousand workers.  Which is nothing to Vegas.

But it's also a reason to just charge more.  At least for a few years.

Then it's all about being clever :) The date hasn't been announced yet, just "November". But if you make reservations for all four weekends in November 2023, then cancel three of them...

alfadriver said:

Vegas, baby!  

The race will be on the strip on a Saturday night.

Which means that there will mostly be massive high rollers there.  Somewhat like choosing Miami vs an actual track.

While I appreciate having a third race in the US, it's far, far, far from accessible to the normal F1 fan.  I would not be shocked to learn that it would be cheaper to fly to Spa and go to the race than driving to Vegas (not including gas costs).   Hotels will be insanely expensive, and tickets the same, I'm sure.

November 2023.  (which means the end of the season will be packed with a lot of travel)

So as a 44 year resident I will chime in a few things:

First do not automatically assume this is a done deal; we've seen races announced only to fall off the calender. Until I hear the properties / casinos adversely effected by the road closures are on board I am skeptical. The Caesar's GP had all the same rhetoric about high rollers and both sides (Casinos & F1) were not happy with the end result.

On the subject of said high rollers: Vegas makes its profit on the backs of Mom & Pa fanny pack, there aren't enough high rollers to go around. Because of this some of the properties may balk at having their front entrance closed off. The casinos were pissed about the downtown Indy car race.

As for the whole Monaco aspect; while the Strip and Sands Ave may fill this, the other half of the course runs through large parking lots and is also bordered by skatey-drugie apartment complexes.

Yes hotels will gouge and traffic will be a nightmare.

We also have a housing bubble coming; if the local economy takes a 10-20% hit on the bubble burst that could effect it.

With that said if it does come off I will consider going; F1 3 day tickets may cross my threshold of pain ($600-$1000).

The SEMA show is early November  in 2023 , 

I doubt they will be the same weekend. 

californiamilleghia said:

The SEMA show is early November  in 2023 , 

I doubt they will be the same weekend. 

Don't assume this: Vegas routinely books major events on the same weekend. It is not uncommon for us to have 3 major events............we are great about generating buzz............we suck at planning.