Welcome to F1, where the rules change on the fly and accidents might not count but we can still penalize for the accident that didn't count.
Welcome to F1, where the rules change on the fly and accidents might not count but we can still penalize for the accident that didn't count.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
NASCAR was the first thing I thought of when they tried the restart and NASCAR we got.
Wild race, lots of... Interesting calls by the officials. Psyched to see Alonso on podium. Aside from Max the field seems really tight and competitive which is great to see.
DrMikeCSI said:In reply to Streetwiseguy :
NASCAR was the first thing I thought of when they tried the restart and NASCAR we got.
At least in a NASCAR race everybody knows what the rules are when a late yellow comes out. There's no race director discretion to decide if the race is restarting, or how it's restarting, or if you get your position back if there's a wreck on the restart. It's all written down in black and white.
CrashDummy said:DrMikeCSI said:In reply to Streetwiseguy :
NASCAR was the first thing I thought of when they tried the restart and NASCAR we got.
At least in a NASCAR race everybody knows what the rules are when a late yellow comes out. There's no race director discretion to decide if the race is restarting, or how it's restarting, or if you get your position back if there's a wreck on the restart. It's all written down in black and white.
Yes. The secret rulebook sucks, wherever it is.
The ending was a little silly. It was a good race though. I particularly liked the Alonso Hamilton battle.
I have always made it clear that o don't care for Alonso's love for Alonso however; 1- he is still a hell of a driver, 2- I don't know if any other driver processes as much race information on the car as him. He had barely recovered from the spin when he said he should restart 3rd because that is what they did in Silverstone. Very impressive.
I hope McLaren appreciates what are probably the best finishes they're going to get this year...
I think the finish was about the only way they could have managed that. There was so much mayhem I don't think a SC could have been viable. The fact that it's a street circuit may be why they're more likely to throw a red flag, it's pretty tight confines with little or no runoff in some sections.
It seems that red flags became far more common starting in 2021. People do love to watch a standing start.
Lewis vs Alonso was a great chess match as they played a race-long strategy game. I don't think it was going to turn into anything more, but watching those two scrapping on old tires would have been excellent.
I'll bet the tires for Australia 2024 will be the softest three available :)
In reply to Keith Tanner :
KMag's accident wasn't that bad. Other than the tire on the track, I didn't see much debris. Put them behind the SC, and once bunched up, recover the tire, and the car. Done. And if the race ended under a SC, so be it.
In reply to alfadriver :
There was a lot of junk spread, plus a loader on the track. I agree with you, but I bet that's their logic.
Loader on the racing surface is not the same as loader beside the track. They've got good reason to be extra cautious during recovery.
Might be interesting to hear one of our marshal members' thoughts on this.
Michael Masi makes his return to the Formula 1 paddock and look what happens
Am I the only one that thinks red flag should mean no touchy the car including tires?.
If you can show you have a puncture from running over crap sure but otherwise it just screws with virtually any strategy options.
The 2nd red flag was 100% pure manufactured FIA Entertainment Content. They have run yellow through far worse debris fields and KMag stopped his car in a very safe place for the loader. Yes, standing restarts are exciting but this race was already incredible on its own. It could have finished behind SC and still have been an awesome race. Just totally unnecessary arbitrary BS. Imagine being in the stands and waiting an extra hour for...that.
Peter Windswor made the comment this race finish is what was supposed to happen in 2021 Abu Dubai, what a zinger especially when Michael Masi was there this weekend.
Keith Tanner said:Loader on the racing surface is not the same as loader beside the track. They've got good reason to be extra cautious during recovery.
Might be interesting to hear one of our marshal members' thoughts on this.
He was right at an inside exit of a corner, off the track- seems that it would have been pretty easy to recover the car from there without going on the racing surface. Only the tire carcass was on the surface.
The red flags I think were due to the adjustments to safety threshold resulting from the major safety failure in the 2022 Japanese GP. The Melbourne GP circuit is a street circuit more akin to Montreal than Monaco.
Then with only 1 lap left they should have followed the rules as best as possible, I approve of their solution. Still, I did think it would be hilarious to have a standing start to just cross the finish line. The top 5 would be probably locked in but further back some changes of position might have happened. Then we would have had a GP, GP sprint start, and dragrace in one event!!!!
Standing start to the finish would have been hilarious to watch. That's what's missing from drag racing, passing :)
Advan046 said:Still, I did think it would be hilarious to have a standing start to just cross the finish line. The top 5 would be probably locked in but further back some changes of position might have happened. Then we would have had a GP, GP sprint start, and dragrace in one event!!!!
Now THIS is pod racing!
Don't know if it impacted the red flag call but apparently a fan got hit by a chuck of debris from Magnessens crashed that sliced his arm up pretty good just outside the track.
I find all these sc and restarts very frustrating. Whatever happened to local yellows. It seems to me that many incidents could be handled by local yellows. But I guess the organizers need to put on a show.
In reply to JimS :
Street circuit. Also, remember that F1 had a driver killed during a yellow flag recovery in 2014 - and that happened on a large runoff area on a permanent racetrack.
kevlarcorolla said:Am I the only one that thinks red flag should mean no touchy the car including tires?.
If you can show you have a puncture from running over crap sure but otherwise it just screws with virtually any strategy options.
I like they can touch the car/change tires etc. I also think that any work or tires should send you to the back of the grid.
Atleast you get some nuance to a red flag then. Depending on the timing most will probably take tires meaning minimal change. I'd rather this and no standing start.
In reply to ztnedman1 :
I'd be fine if a tire swap resulted in going to back.
Its the timing of a red flag that means its going to most likely screw somebodies strategy.
A red flag shouldn't give some an advantage.
ztnedman1 said:kevlarcorolla said:Am I the only one that thinks red flag should mean no touchy the car including tires?.
If you can show you have a puncture from running over crap sure but otherwise it just screws with virtually any strategy options.
I like they can touch the car/change tires etc. I also think that any work or tires should send you to the back of the grid.
As with the "close the pits during a yellow flag" argument, preventing tire swaps during a red flag does not make the race more fair, it just changes who gets screwed.
You need to allow teams to change damaged tires without penalty, doing otherwise is unsafe. Once you have a "tires that have been damaged can be replaced" rule, you now have incentive for drivers to purposely drive over debris during a red flag so that they can get a free tire change. The current rule is imperfect, but IMHO it's the best option available.
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