In reply to Keith Tanner :
Well, then, ask the FIA to take back 2021, give them 2020 spec hondas, as they're on their 3rd breach of the engine freeze, and halt all development as they've not only breached the spending cap 3 straight years, but breached the wind tunnel time limits. But, then their great white nope would stop winning. I miss the days when F1 was a valid sport and not this pathetic joke.
Streetwiseguy said:Max has no competition. I'm not sure anyone can do it as a team mate, because it's to the team's benefit to cater to him rather than his team mate. I kinda hope Ricciardo gets another shot at him, based on his near equalling Max at the end of his RB days. Maybe that's the car he needs. Not likely, though.
Even if it was always fake, which I dont believe, Lewis always was gracious to his team. Other than Nico.
I saw a rumor suggesting that RBR was trying to hire Piastri to replace Perez, which could be interesting.
And yeah, when Hamilton is getting interviewed after a successful race, the first words out of his mouth are always to thank the team and the fans.
All this Max hatred needs to be given a rest. If I recall in 2021 he had to pass Hamilton to win. I still think a driver's championship is meaningless unless the cars are equal. Didn't hear all this complaining when Lewis was dominating. Also his first championship was a gift.
In reply to JimS :
There was plenty of anguish over Hamilton and Mercedes dominating.
The real question about max is what he does when challenged. He hasn't been for a few season, so we think he is more mature. But seeing his and Jos' reactions when Perez wins makes me question his apparent maturity.
In reply to Docwemple :
Where do you see RBR and Honda breaking more rules?
Docwemple said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
...and halt all development as they've not only breached the spending cap 3 straight years...
Very impressive that they have breached 3 straight years when the spending cap went into effect 2021. That means they have already breached in 2023 and the season is just half over. That's going to be a massive breach 
In reply to JimS :
Please do some real homework before Writing something like this
In reply to JimS :
Max behaves like a petulant child when things don't go 100% his way; most people find this very off putting, myself included.
He's a phenomenal talent but that's been overshadowed by his behavior..........his being pissy with his engineer then apologizing after it goes his way is an example of what I'm talking about.
In reply to Tom1200 :
True but 2021 Max wouldn't have apologized, 2023 Max actually did and seemed sincere. I am still not a fan but you have to admit he is getting better. We will see if that is simply the circumstances or personal growth if anyone can ever catch up to him.
In reply to JimS :
Lewis's 1st title was a gift?
With Alonso as a teamate NOTHING is a gift.
Max is a stunning talent,but he also hasn't had to deal with a teamate with real credentials.
Docwemple said:In reply to JimS :
Please do some real homework before Writing something like this
Says the person that just accused RB of breaching the cost cap *before the cost cap even existed*.
kevlarcorolla said:In reply to JimS :
Lewis's 1st title was a gift?
Absolutely. Did you forget about Crashgate?!? Massa would have won by 6 points if the FIA had actually made that right. Flavio, Piquet, and Bernie all admitted guilt in the years that followed. In fact, Massa has a case before some international tribunal about it.
In reply to NY Nick :
Without a doubt he's much better.
In reply to Javelin :
Based on Max fans ability to accept his gift I assumed it was ok for everyone.
Not really a Max fan just expressing my thoughts. Haven't been a fan of any drivers since Jim Clark.
Javelin said:kevlarcorolla said:In reply to JimS :
Lewis's 1st title was a gift?
Absolutely. Did you forget about Crashgate?!? Massa would have won by 6 points if the FIA had actually made that right. Flavio, Piquet, and Bernie all admitted guilt in the years that followed. In fact, Massa has a case before some international tribunal about it.
Don't believe the myths put out by the Hamilton-haters.
Bernie wasn't involved, there was no "fixing" going on here by the officials. One team (Renault) tried to cheat by having one driver (Piquet) intentionally crash in order to benefit the other driver (Alonso). Teams cheating is nothing new, it's happened in the past. When they do they disqualify the team and drivers involved, they have never thrown out a race result entirely because one team cheated. If you wanted to apply a retro-penalty now the only additional thing would be to disqualify Alonso's win, which actually gives Hamilton 2 more points (moving him up to 2nd).
Massa's DNF was the fault of the Ferrari mechanics screwing up the pit stop and sending him out with the fuel hose attached, no one else's.
It's also interesting how the Hamilton-haters always seem to gloss over Alonso's involvement in that incident. There's no way he didn't know it was happening, he took a very early pit stop that would have been a massive disadvantage in a normal race without any complaint.
JimS said:Didn't hear all this complaining when Lewis was dominating.
You didn't? Were you actually paying attention? People were complaining about it all over the place, just like they did when Vettel and Schumacher were dominating.
Not a hater. A last lap, last turn pass is a gift no matter how you look at it.
JimS said:Not a hater. A last lap, last turn pass is a gift no matter how you look at it.
Yes, it was very close. So close that if it had been a movie script it would have been described as unbelievable.
But a "gift"? No, that term implies that it was intentional and Glock was definitely not intending to give Hamilton that position. Hamilton had the position he needed to win the championship when the rain came with a couple laps left, but the Toyotas stayed out to try to make it work on dry tires. If Glock had wanted to gift Hamilton the position, all he would have needed to do was pit like everyone else in the field did.
(and, in fact, staying out on dries DID work for Glock. He finished 2 or 3 positions up from where he had been before it started raining, even with the positions he lost to Hamilton and everyone else ahead of him on that lap).
In reply to JimS :
Not if you are on proper tires, and the other guy isn't.
I mean there were like 3 more races after Singapore, had Renault been excluded and banned for the rest of the year, the season would have played out differently. As stated the Glock call is the same coin toss thats made every rain race, he was really trying to finish as high up as he could of you watch the onboard
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:Javelin said:kevlarcorolla said:In reply to JimS :
Lewis's 1st title was a gift?
Absolutely. Did you forget about Crashgate?!? Massa would have won by 6 points if the FIA had actually made that right. Flavio, Piquet, and Bernie all admitted guilt in the years that followed. In fact, Massa has a case before some international tribunal about it.
Don't believe the myths put out by the Hamilton-haters.
Bernie wasn't involved, there was no "fixing" going on here by the officials. One team (Renault) tried to cheat by having one driver (Piquet) intentionally crash in order to benefit the other driver (Alonso). Teams cheating is nothing new, it's happened in the past. When they do they disqualify the team and drivers involved, they have never thrown out a race result entirely because one team cheated. If you wanted to apply a retro-penalty now the only additional thing would be to disqualify Alonso's win, which actually gives Hamilton 2 more points (moving him up to 2nd).
Massa's DNF was the fault of the Ferrari mechanics screwing up the pit stop and sending him out with the fuel hose attached, no one else's.
It's also interesting how the Hamilton-haters always seem to gloss over Alonso's involvement in that incident. There's no way he didn't know it was happening, he took a very early pit stop that would have been a massive disadvantage in a normal race without any complaint.
Do you live under a rock? https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1021336/1/ecclestone-s-bizarre-crashgate-confession-hamilton-lucky-win-title
Ex-F1 supremo Ecclestone, 92, has now told F1 Insider: "Max Mosley [then FIA president] and I was informed during the 2008 season about what had happened in the race in Singapore. Piquet Jr. had told his father Nelson that he had been asked by the team to deliberately drive into the wall at one point in order to trigger a safety car period and thus help his team-mate Alonso.
"At that time there was the rule that a World Championship classification after the FIA award ceremony at the end of the year is untouchable. So Hamilton was presented with the championship trophy and everything was fine."
But Ecclestone admits: "We had enough information in time to investigate the matter. According to the statutes, however, we would probably have had to cancel the race in Singapore under these conditions. That is, for the championship standings, it would never have happened.
“Then Felipe Massa would have become world champion and not Lewis Hamilton.
JimS said:Not a hater. A last lap, last turn pass is a gift no matter how you look at it.
Who actually gave the gift to Lewis? To be a gift, someone has to give it.
Tom1200 said:In reply to JimS :
Max behaves like a petulant child when things don't go 100% his way; most people find this very off putting, myself included.
He's a phenomenal talent but that's been overshadowed by his behavior..........his being pissy with his engineer then apologizing after it goes his way is an example of what I'm talking about.
Whenever Lewis said anything close to that, he was roasted for it.
So just watched a recent video from The Race. Holy. Cow. There is some serious blood letting going on at Renault. And I I mean that, and it's carrying deep into Alpine. It's like a soap with some serious French drama added to it.
basically expect nothing out of Alpine for the rest of the season. Too many people are gone.
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