Fun. Heck of a job from Carlos. Fun to see the Ferraris going at it.
Everyone in the facility, and watching on TV, knew Lewis deserved that penalty. Even Lewis. He sought out Piasrti and apologized right after the race. I'm betting he was laying down some killer laps to get 5 seconds clear. The 2-3-4 race was better, I'm sure, but it would be nice to catch some of his laps on board. I wonder if I can do that on F1tv replay?
In reply to NY Nick :
I reserve changing my opinion on Max untill a team/driver comes along and puts him under actual pressure and see how close to pre '21 Max he reverts.
That was some good racing.............
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
If you were listening to the team radio you might have a whole different view. Max is a lot more mature and patient... partially due to his race engineer. "He (Sainz) is already starting to slide around. This will be easy."
In reply to triumph7 :
You missed my point,lets see how he acts when actually facing a challenge.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
I think if Ferrari had been able to keep tires under it Max would have faced a challenge.
In reply to triumph7 :
Thats just it,he knows how much better the RB is and just cruised along behind with no urgency.
I think the dive bomber block passing Max will resurface if he gets real competition,that's a big if given the car and his talent level.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
I'm with you. I think he does take a longer view today and looks to the whole season instead of just the next turn, but I suspect that another season with pressure like 2021 (it'll happen eventually, it always does) will have him revert to his old driving habits.
I don't know, he'll be at least three or four years more mature than he was in 2021. The last two years has shown that he not only can drive very quickly, but he can drive like a world champion. There is a difference!
He had some real growth during Friday practice
In reply to RacerBoy75 :
Well, the last year he's looked more mature. He's also had no pressure.
Two years ago he was driving like an shiny happy person and complaining on the radio about not being handed corners. He literally brake-checked his rival on the straight at one point.
Keith Tanner said:In reply to RacerBoy75 :
Well, the last year he's looked more mature. He's also had no pressure.
Two years ago he was driving like an shiny happy person and complaining on the radio about not being handed corners. He literally brake-checked his rival on the straight at one point.
This sums up why I don't like him; it's easy to be gracious when things are going all your way.
When the pendulum swings back, as it always does, we shall see if he goes back to being petulant.
He's not the only driver to ever behave this way but I didn't like them either.
It's easier to drive clean when you're in a faster car than everyone else. It's reasonable to criticize Max's driving tactics in the past but we should apply the same standard to everyone else. Now it's Lewis that's making low-percentage passing maneuvers and taking out competitors and Sainz that's swerving like a madman in braking zones to block faster cars. I've seen Lewis make a number of very questionable moves this season trying to make something out of nothing. Yes Max acted like a spoiled brat when he was a baby, but the type of driving he did can be seen elsewhere on the grid. Max doesn't do it anymore because he doesn't have to.
In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :
At least Hamilton feels bad about it and generally apologizes. Max blames the other driver when he hits someone else.
superfund said:He had some real growth during Friday practice
Was that when he was trying to do the qualifying run?
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:and Sainz that's swerving like a madman in braking zones to block faster cars.
I hate that F1 basically says if you're in the lead, just hand it over to the 2nd place car. From karting to LMP, road racers are taught to make their cars wide. You shouldn't hit the other car (except in NASCAR, lol) but you don't have to just give it up, either. F1 generally says you can't REALLY defend. "Swerving like a madman?" puleeeze. It's like you guys want a blue flag to come out whenever a car is attempting to overtake for position.
Chris_V said:ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:and Sainz that's swerving like a madman in braking zones to block faster cars.
I hate that F1 basically says if you're in the lead, just hand it over to the 2nd place car. From karting to LMP, road racers are taught to make their cars wide. You shouldn't hit the other car (except in NASCAR, lol) but you don't have to just give it up, either. F1 generally says you can't REALLY defend. "Swerving like a madman?" puleeeze. It's like you guys want a blue flag to come out whenever a car is attempting to overtake for position.
IIRC it's one blocking move, same as most other race orgs. Swerve once and you're good. Swerve back and you're breaking the rules. At one point Carlos did that on three consecutive laps to hold up both Perez and his teammate. I like Carlos and think he's a great racer, but at some point you're just a rolling chicane and it's not racing.
Chris_V said:ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:and Sainz that's swerving like a madman in braking zones to block faster cars.
I hate that F1 basically says if you're in the lead, just hand it over to the 2nd place car. From karting to LMP, road racers are taught to make their cars wide. You shouldn't hit the other car (except in NASCAR, lol) but you don't have to just give it up, either. F1 generally says you can't REALLY defend. "Swerving like a madman?" puleeeze. It's like you guys want a blue flag to come out whenever a car is attempting to overtake for position.
You are also allowed to just push another car off track in f1 as long as they aren't completely beside you and it could be considered the normal racing line (ie, just let your car track out as long as there isnt total overlap)...
It certainly isn't just giving way. I'd argue that the passing rules for the passing car are the HARDEST in f1 versus all other series.
In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :
Hamilton has the Senna mentality there are some questionable passes that he has been given the benefit of the doubt, over the years. I still think his mind is on everything outside of F1. The offhand comments from Lewis and Toto about Max is ridiculous. Max and Checo are 1 & 2 and the other teams are the problem not the rules that they all agreed too. Indycar is a spec series yet CGR and Penske still dominate, finding the right drivers and mechanics is still important. Honestly the other teams other then Redbull need to step it up. Unless someone crashes into Max and takes them out of race I am betting he wins the rest of the races.
In reply to trigun7469 :
As much as i'm not a fan of Max I agree with this. You have a very good driver at the top of his game sitting in the best car on the grid by a sizeable margin. I bet the reason he's been beaten to pole on a couple of occasions isn't because the other teams are catching up to RB, it's because RB spend their time in practice optimizing race pace since the car is fast enough to guarantee a front row start in Max's hands. And if he doesn't get pole he can just bid his time and make his moves. And it's not just Max, that whole team is running like a Rolex right now. I mean 1.93 second pit stops? That's insane!
Agree with trigun. Also worth pointing out that for all the heat that Perez is getting, he's comfortably #2 in the WDC and the team is ahead by a mile in the Constructors. I think his instructions are: don't mess with Max, don't crash, don't break drivetrains. His seat is perfectly safe.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to trigun7469 :
As much as i'm not a fan of Max I agree with this. You have a very good driver at the top of his game sitting in the best car on the grid by a sizeable margin. I bet the reason he's been beaten to pole on a couple of occasions isn't because the other teams are catching up to RB, it's because RB spend their time in practice optimizing race pace since the car is fast enough to guarantee a front row start in Max's hands. And if he doesn't get pole he can just bid his time and make his moves. And it's not just Max, that whole team is running like a Rolex right now. I mean 1.93 second pit stops? That's insane!
Perhaps that is the key to Checo's lack of consistency when it comes to qualifying. Max's attitude after qualifying indicated that he wasn't too worried about starting P2.
In reply to jmabarone :
The car is set up around Max who has a very different driving style...........I think that's 90% of the issue for Perez.
Chris_V said:ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:and Sainz that's swerving like a madman in braking zones to block faster cars.
I hate that F1 basically says if you're in the lead, just hand it over to the 2nd place car. From karting to LMP, road racers are taught to make their cars wide. You shouldn't hit the other car (except in NASCAR, lol) but you don't have to just give it up, either. F1 generally says you can't REALLY defend. "Swerving like a madman?" puleeeze. It's like you guys want a blue flag to come out whenever a car is attempting to overtake for position.
So for vintage racing we are not allowed to move around at all and when I raced SCCA weaving was not allowed either. Most organizations now have a one move rule.
The classic over under pass really brings in to question the effectiveness of weaving on all but the longest straights.
Trying to break a tow is one thing but drivers running other drivers down to the pit wall and all the other antics that became common in the late 90s are just plain dangerous.
Even if the leading driver had to stay on line the passing driver still has out brake them and get the car fully turned in with a compromised entry.
In reply to Tom1200 :
Also, the braking of F1 cars is so incredibly good and consistent that it's really hard to out brake someone. If they made them less consistent and liable to over heat- it's possible to have some variability in the braking zone. That plus the struggle to stay close enough to out drag someone down the straight is why DRS exists in F1 (and push to pass exists in Indycar).
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