In reply to alfadriver :
Yeah, I'm not holding out a lot of hope. Maybe next year...
In reply to alfadriver :
Yeah, I'm not holding out a lot of hope. Maybe next year...
Ninja update: Both were disqualified.
Ruh roh
Hamilton and LeClerc teams called to stewards for plank violations.
-Rob
In reply to rob_lewis :
Oh wow yeah both completely DQed. That should mean Logan Sargeant gets points.
Whaaaaaaaa?!??!
Ooh. That hurts. I can't recall a plank penalty for years.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
So if I get this right they rewrote the rules to change flexy planks in response to RB's design but no penalties.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
Oh, yeah. That's true.
And now there's a Ferrari on podium oddly enough.
Why different setups for Russell and Sainz compared to their teammates?
In reply to crankwalk (Forum Supporter) :
Probably thousands of an inch...
Was an exciting race, actually but sucks that Lewis and Charles were DSQ'd. Mercedes needs to work on their pitstops, that extra second or more that it took to change Lewis's tires would have come in real handy at the end of the race.
loosecannon said:that extra second or more that it took to change Lewis's tires would have come in real handy at the end of the race.
Ugh, can you imagine the gut wrench Hamilton would have had if he'd won his first race in quite a while, only to be dq'd?
-Rob
rob_lewis said:loosecannon said:that extra second or more that it took to change Lewis's tires would have come in real handy at the end of the race.
Ugh, can you imagine the gut wrench Hamilton would have had if he'd won his first race in quite a while, only to be dq'd?
-Rob
I said the same thing to my wife, I would have been gutted if he won and then got DQ'd
kevlarcorolla said:In reply to Streetwiseguy :
So if I get this right they rewrote the rules to change flexy planks in response to RB's design but no penalties.
They changed the testing standards because teams (including RB) figured out a way to get more flex out of their floors and still pass the test as designed. Not cheating, just working within the rules.
Over 30 years since a American has gotten points. Good thing Logan ran a clean race. Maybe he can build on it.
In reply to jmabarone :
Ok,I don't root for a team as I follow drivers not the teams....having said that I'd do cartwheels to see ANY other team get the new rules so right ;)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) said:And now there's a Ferrari on podium oddly enough.
Why different setups for Russell and Sainz compared to their teammates?
Russell and Sainz didn't get checked - although driving style and individual car setup might have meant that they'd have passed the check. Only four out of 17 cars were checked in TX, and some weekends none of them are. As it turns out:
The sporting regulations permit technical delegate Jo Bauer to carry out “at his discretion, any checks to verify the compliance of the cars entered in the competition”.
Didn't the FIA learn anything from the 2021 debacle where the rules were basically thrown out the window at the discretion of the race steward? If you're going to apply rules, apply them to everyone equally. Don't let some guy make his own call, it's gotta be black and white. Test them all or test none.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Yeah when 50% of the cars inspected failed maybe that should set off alarm bells......
How I understand it. The post race inspection does a random set if tests in order to prevent teams from predicting what to cheat on per race. That is the rule and not the same as changing the on track rules mid race.
It just so happened they chose who they chose this past Sunday and their job is to try and catch violations. So if they used video from during the race to pick the top 4 then good job. I don't see anything unusual about the traveling circus of F1 limiting how long a car is held after a race given that they need to be in another country by Wed/Thur.
MB and Ferrari got it wrong. And hopefully will move on.
Still a great race. Happy for Williams and Yuki!!!!!
Despite the DQs giving Logan a point his race was rather strong. I noticed about half way how close he was to Albon. I was even curious if he would catch Albon but Albon managed to stay ahead by quite a bit. I may rewatch Logan's race as his racecraft still seemed sloppy during brief moments of camera footage. But that may have been just how the live broadcast made it seem. He is a rookie, so no hate.
Yuki! Came through for the team again. Been solid all year in what everyone claims to be a bad car. If he and Ricciardo can have 1 more good race they would pass poor HAAS. Gosh I wish HAAS would have a good car again....
F1 needs to fix this -- it's bad for the sport to have the finishing order changed after the fact, especially when it's two major teams who certainly did not intend to violate the technical regs.
Testing some-but-not-all of the points scorers is a problem, but the root here is that the teams only had 1 hour of practice before getting locked down in parc ferme conditions. That's just not enough time for a track that changes from year to year as much as COTA does.
IMHO it's time to dump the sprint format. It was a good idea to try having more racing and less practicing, but I just don't think it's worked.
In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :
Agree 100% that changing the finishing order post race is not acceptable.
I respectfully disagree regarding the sprint weekends not working though,I say they are doing exactly what they should....shake things up.
Each team has hundreds of people working to find the exact setup and race strategy per track via the normal race weekend practices.....as a result the race order is generally predictable within a couple of positions for each driver/team.
I say test each driver and team member with the unknown and lets have a sprint race every weekend.
Watching 3+ hrs of practice is far less entertaining then having 2 quali's and 2 races.
Sucks for Lewis and Charles but their teams got it wrong,and I suspect they weren't the only 2 to do so,which is the real problem with the DQ.
kevlarcorolla said:I say test each driver and team member with the unknown and lets have a sprint race every weekend.
"testing with the unknown" is all well and good until you disqualify half the field due to people not having enough data to set the ride height properly and having to guess at it. That's just a lottery.
In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :
And they all sat up a little straighter in class now and likely to not repeat that ;)
Just like racing in the rain. Do you drive the car on the limit or stay around 7/10s?
MB and Ferrari have a few million dollars invested into figuring out a car setup from before arriving at the track. They screwed up plain and simple. They could have spent a few more laps in FP1 to figure out their ride height. They are many paid employees per team to figure it out. And RBR and McLaren did just fine.
A couple comments about post race scrutineering not changing the results. Not sure how that would work in any racing series? How do you scrutinize plank wear before the end of the race? They check for minimum car weight, so if an intact car is 15 Kg under. Just let them have the win? Nah.
Sprint weekends were iffy last year, at least the ones I remember, some good some bad. But I enjoy them this year. The constructors competition is close enough for the teams to fight for Sprint points.
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