Formula 1 2024 Season

In reply to Tom1200 :

Agree completely on your last point, it will be up to the folks at Red Bull to decide if DR gets the org where it wants to be, not me or Danny or anyone else. 

Last race his team had his teammate let him pass, Danny would not have done that on his own. 2 long ass places behind his teammate this week, Yuki also got beat up for 2 spots where I don't think some of the other drivers on the grid loose those spots. Also note his teammate hasn't been stellar, he was beaten roundly by Pierre, he was beaten by Liam Lawson too. 

Also don't get me wrong, all these guys are amazing. Some are just 100% amazing and some are 99% amazing. Both numbers are insane to think about how good they are. My thought is that there are drivers available (like Lawson) that are probably better than 99%.

In reply to NY Nick :

It would be interesting to know why teams hold onto drivers.  Didn't Danny sign a multi year deal?  As for Yuki- I had thought he had ties to Honda/Japan- which is now rather moot.  Seargant- I wish he was a better driver, but I think Williams still needs some income with the drivers.  Stroll- yea.  If I were Bottas- I would stay until they tell me to go.  It's still the best paying job in racing.

The hard part is that the teams really need at what they need and the future.  Saving Danny for RBR kind of points to the lack of a good feeder system they have.  Heck, re-singing him to RB also says that.  Which is why they will hold on to Perez for as long as they can.

The only teams that *seem* to have a good feeder system is Ferrari (who keep finding some real talent) and Mercedes.  McLaren looks to be rebuilding their system, but IIRC Piastri took some effort to get away from Renault.

Even though I'm not really a Ferrari fan, it's a shame that they have such a solid feeder system and can't really deliver them a car to win championships.

In reply to alfadriver :

I think there is a whole host of reasons they keep drivers. Everything from they bring money to they work well as a number 2 driver to they do excellent PR work.

You have to be a Hamilton or Verstappen level of talent otherwise you need to bring money or be great at PR.

I've known some seriously fast guys who had zero people skills. You'd never ever let them near the public.

I had to LOL at this suggested post on FB. 
 

In reply to Tom1200 :

Daniel got a opportunity in F1 in 2011 at Age 22, he got the opportunity because Narain was kicked to the curb. He moved to TR the next season because Sébastien Buemi and Jaime Alguersuari,were kicked to the curb (some would say they didn't get a fair shot). He got the RB seat because Weber retired.   Meanwhile Liam is waiting in the wings at age 22, waiting for the same opportunity that was given to Daniel, for someone to get kicked to the curb or retired. As a fan I would love to see more teams join but it's not realistic, so the second best thing to the RB domination is infusing new talent. I am pretty sure everyone was rooting for Oli to score points.

In reply to trigun7469 :

Exactly,a dozen'ish yrs in F1 and he's routinely being beaten by young gun teammates in his last 4 teams.

 He's a perfect example of questioning why some are still around after multiple chances to prove their worth

So Masa has filed a suit against the FIA, F1, and Bernie over the Singapore incident.  He thinks the race should be nullified because Bernie claims he knew what happened.  Just saw a more logical penalty- Renault/Alonso get struck from the race.  Which hands the win to Hamilton, making his championship a lot easier.

We will see...

In reply to alfadriver :

I agree,asking the entire race to be scrubbed due to the actions of one team is nonsense.

 If Massa was going to win that race 100% before the intentional crash it would make it easier to understand,hard to win dragging the fuel hose around with you so....

Also waiting 15 yrs is probably the biggest "huh"?

On a related note Bill Lambier has just filed suit against the NBA and Kareem Abdul-Jaber saying that Detroit is the rightful winner of the 1988 NBA Championship 

alfadriver said:

So Masa has filed a suit against the FIA, F1, and Bernie over the Singapore incident.  He thinks the race should be nullified because Bernie claims he knew what happened.  Just saw a more logical penalty- Renault/Alonso get struck from the race.  Which hands the win to Hamilton, making his championship a lot easier.

We will see...

It makes him look like a huge crybaby. Especially considering there are more than a few races that he could have scored more points. 

You lost guy. Get over it. 

alfadriver said:

So Masa has filed a suit against the FIA, F1, and Bernie over the Singapore incident.  He thinks the race should be nullified because Bernie claims he knew what happened.  Just saw a more logical penalty- Renault/Alonso get struck from the race.  Which hands the win to Hamilton, making his championship a lot easier.

Hamilton finished 3rd, so he would only get bumped to 2nd.  The win would go to Rosberg in the Williams!

I will say that most people figured out it was intentional at the time, because otherwise there was just no reason for Alonso to have pitted when he did.  The FIA just wanted it to go away because Alonso was a star and bringing in a lot of fans.  There's no way he didn't know what was going on, and yet he escaped any official sanction for it.

If Massa wins the court case you think they will hold a ceremony similar to Giancarlo Fisichella Brazil win, he can hold a suitcase of money instead of a trophy  He Obviously is going to get hush money for this theoretical court case (He wants $250 Million), is it really worth tarnishing his legacy, however I was never a fan and thought he was a dramatic crybaby.

The 15 years is because Bernie only just admitted that he absolutely knew Flavio had the crash on purpose during the season when Ferrari and Massa could have formally protested, and he kept it under wraps for over a decade instead. 

I don't like Massa, but I also see where he's coming from. That said, I think the"correct" response is to invalidate the Renault team, which keeps the championship the same anyways. 

Bernie should absolutely be prosecuted for his cover up. 

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Thanks for the correction.  Different win, same overall impact on the championship.

In reply to DasAuto :

Yea, people can see where he's coming from.  I can, too.  Just that the desired outcome is questionable.  And late.  If Bernie knew, as everyone seemed to be- they should have sued a long time ago and forced him to testify in court at the time.

In reply to trigun7469 :

An F1 team's priority may or may not be having a younger faster driver. 

It's not a front running car; it's not going to be a front running car anytime soon. That shifts priorities.

As for deserving young drivers; there are dozens of them out there who will never get the chance to show their talent.

In reply to alfadriver :

Bernie knew and did tell anyone else until 2023. That's what kicked the whole thing off. All the FIA and F1 investigations back then concluded that it was solely Flavio (and even the drivers didn't know) and Bernie lied. He didn't come clean until literally less than a year ago. 

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1021336/1/ecclestone-s-bizarre-crashgate-confession-hamilton-lucky-win-title

DasAuto said:

In reply to alfadriver :

Bernie knew and did tell anyone else until 2023. That's what kicked the whole thing off. All the FIA and F1 investigations back then concluded that it was solely Flavio (and even the drivers didn't know) and Bernie lied. He didn't come clean until literally less than a year ago. 

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1021336/1/ecclestone-s-bizarre-crashgate-confession-hamilton-lucky-win-title

Piquet Jr testified in 2009 and the data regarding his throttle input showed it was intentional YEARS ago. Then Massa screwed up his pit stop. So I'm not sure what Bernie admitting it has anything to do with it. 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/sep/16/nelson-piquet-singapore-flavio-briatore-inquiry

Is he going to sue Adrian Sutil next for allegedly "moving over" for Hamilton at the last corner of the last race of the year in Brazil? 

DasAuto said:

In reply to alfadriver :

Bernie knew and did tell anyone else until 2023. That's what kicked the whole thing off. All the FIA and F1 investigations back then concluded that it was solely Flavio (and even the drivers didn't know) and Bernie lied. He didn't come clean until literally less than a year ago. 

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1021336/1/ecclestone-s-bizarre-crashgate-confession-hamilton-lucky-win-title

And?  Strike Renault from the race.  Done.  Bernie says that he knew before hand, but can anyone really trust him?  He's only out for himself.  And says things to make people think they care about what he says.  

Was it handled poorly?  Sure.  Alonso probably knew what was going on, so he got off scott free.  If anyone should be penalized, it's him.

The rest of the field ran the race in good faith, so at least their results should count.  And Massa should sue his team for totally ruining his pit stop.  THAT lost him points, not Renault.  He had the chance to stay in front of everyone but Alonso, but they screwed that up.

In reply to alfadriver :

That's literally what I said the post before. Invalidate Renault only. 

I was responding to your question as to why Massa didn't sue until now. Bernie admitting he knew during the season last year is what cooked that off. 

For the Williams fans out there, The Race did a pretty interesting article about the reason for the long term disarray at the team https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WazUi6K4W6w&ab_channel=THERACE

And the way I watched it, I was quite encouraged.  If they can be that "competitive" with the issues that hamper them, then fixing them will result in good things.

In reply to alfadriver :

Based on this information you would think that Albon would be high on the list of free agent drivers next year. I wonder if some of this type of stuff was missed in the technology change/ one person did many roles, basically the person that used pencil and paper was fired or retired. In my current job we are trying to avoid that by documenting and cross training.

I also wonder how many other teams have similar issues, Alpine would be interesting to know about.

Interesting piece on the importance of quality business systems for peak performance. 
I shared it with my good friend who's nephew works at Williams. He shared it with him for a fact check. I am very interested to see how accurate he says it is. 
 

In reply to trigun7469 :

Perhaps, or he sees that the system is being fixed, and the potential gains that Vowles thinks will happen is true, and they could be close to McLaren just by fixing it.

Dunno.  

In reply to NY Nick :

I hope it's accurate.  Not to damn Williams, but to see that the light is the end of the tunnel instead of a train bearing down on them.  Lots of real thoughts for hope for next season.

The drivers are complaining how punishing the new generation of cars are to drive Story Here In my mind the answer is simple: Go back to 1990 car dimensions, mandate single element front wing and restrict rear wing size, flat floor and allow active suspension and while we're at it, let the teams choose whatever engine configuration suits them best.