Formula One - 2017

Apparently it started in some motorcycle racing series in Australia, then Ricciardo moved it to F1. :)

racerdave600 wrote: I think over the years a lot of people have complained about how Hamilton handles safety cars. Of course he backed off, but I put the entire blame on Vettel. I want to like Vettel, but he keeps doing stupid things. Lewis' car clearly slows at the apex, but that wasn't the first time as even on TV you could see it corner after corner.

Hamilton was speeding up and slowing down sharply, not matching the pace of the safety car.

Vettle had closed up on Hamilton in anticipation of the green.

Hamilton may or may not have intended (I think may) to brake check Vettle to keep him off his butt on the restart.

Would Lewis risk a damaged tire to gain a bit of space on the restart?

Cost/benefit analysis suggests no to me.

Keith Tanner wrote: Interesting that a few of the teams decided to go with low downforce setups on that track to get the speed on the straights. Looking at it, I would have thought it would be a high downforce track.

The part around the old city is, but the straights are long enough (1 mile + for one) to allow a low downforce car to overcome the gains made with high downforce in the tight parts.

According to FIA data, Hamilton did not brake check Vettel:

FIA

The Azerbaijan stewards examined the telemetry data from Hamilton’s car and found that he had behaved in the exact same way in that area of the track in both previous restarts after the Safety Car.

-Rob

bentwrench wrote:

racerdave600 wrote: I think over the years a lot of people have complained about how Hamilton handles safety cars. Of course he backed off, but I put the entire blame on Vettel. I want to like Vettel, but he keeps doing stupid things. Lewis' car clearly slows at the apex, but that wasn't the first time as even on TV you could see it corner after corner.

Hamilton was speeding up and slowing down sharply, not matching the pace of the safety car. Vettle had closed up on Hamilton in anticipation of the green. Hamilton may or may not have intended (I think may) to brake check Vettle to keep him off his butt on the restart.

Info > speculation.

Hamilton had been doing the same thing every caution lap (already discussed), FIA analysis of the telemetry proved this to be true (already discussed).............EVEN IF HE HAD BRAKE CHECKED VETTEL..........Vettel coming up and purposefully driving into his car..........that should have been punished with a black flag and ban from the next race.

z31maniac wrote: Vettel coming up and purposefully driving into his car..........that should have been punished with a black flag and ban from the next race.

Agreed.

codrus wrote:

z31maniac wrote: Vettel coming up and purposefully driving into his car..........that should have been punished with a black flag and ban from the next race.

Agreed.

Yeah, I really don't get it. They make a huge deal about say, not crossing the white line on corner exit at some circuits........but purposefully driving into your opponent because you're upset, I just don't see how a black flag wasn't thrown.

In reply to z31maniac:

Yes it seemed the stewards got caught up in how to keep the racing "exciting" rather than safe.

I would think Jean Todt and Charlie Whiting would issue a race suspension to Vettel after some review of the telemetry and video, plus a debrief of Vettel.

I actually think it is possible that he did accidentally hit Hamilton due to being to frantic about waving his arm at the leader. But then listening to the interview with Vettel it seems he felt this is what grown ups do. So maybe that is code for "YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!"

Is it me or has parity actually arrived in F1?

Austrian GP closing laps

Hamiton L P4 unable to pip Daniel R at the stripe.

No, no it hasn't. A few teams being close to each other != parity across the sport.

759NRNG wrote: Is it me or has parity actually arrived in F1? Austrian GP closing laps Hamiton L P4 unable to pip Daniel R at the stripe.

I kind of interpret that as Austria being a hard place to pass at, because the track is short.

And given Lewis' position was more because of a gearbox change, it's hard to tell if Ferrari and Mercedes are coming together or not.

alfadriver wrote:

759NRNG wrote: Is it me or has parity actually arrived in F1? Austrian GP closing laps Hamiton L P4 unable to pip Daniel R at the stripe.

I kind of interpret that as Austria being a hard place to pass at, because the track is short. And given Lewis' position was more because of a gearbox change, it's hard to tell if Ferrari and Mercedes are coming together or not.

Yeah, there were very few passes for position that didn't have massive differences in car performance behind them. Austria isn't as bad as Monaco, but it's definitely not a great track for overtaking. Qualifying was thrown off by Hamilton's penalty and the yellow flag at the end, so we didn't get a good one-lap performance figure either.

The FIA clarified the rules about burning oil as additional fuel recently, and the claim is that this will have hurt Ferrari more than it did Mercedes. I guess we'll see in Silverstone.

Drinking from a used racing boot isn't even that bad.
Get back to me after you've drank cheap beer from a (recently) used rugby boot.
And I'm not talking about a boot from a back, I'm talking about a boot off of a 280 pound prop.

Alphadriver wrote "The FIA clarified the rules about burning oil as additional fuel recently, and the claim is that this will have hurt Ferrari more than it did Mercedes. I guess we'll see in Silverstone." This is a known issue......for how long now? Have not heard this mentioned during broadcasts, but then I don't have the sound on to begin with.....miss those V-10's.

My DVR didn't catch the end of the podium ceremonies from Azerbaijan, did Coulthard do the Shoey?

Lance Stroll did , but the look on his face was priceless not to mention the 'spit' afterwards

759NRNG wrote: Lance Stroll did , but the look on his face was priceless not to mention the 'spit' afterwards

Captain Picard was PUMPED about the Shoey, Marty Brundle literally untied Smiley's shoe (charity). I figured since DC was a Red Bull driver (Loved when Scott Speed called him "Uncle David"), he'd have done the Shoey for sure.

759NRNG wrote: Alphadriver wrote "The FIA clarified the rules about burning oil as additional fuel recently, and the claim is that this will have hurt Ferrari more than it did Mercedes. I guess we'll see in Silverstone." This is a known issue......for how long now? Have not heard this mentioned during broadcasts, but then I don't have the sound on to begin with.....miss those V-10's.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-oil-burn-clampdown-921569

Apparently it's been going on all season long -- if you can burn a gallon of oil over the course of the race, then that's added a percent or so to your available fuel supply.

759NRNG wrote: Alphadriver wrote "The FIA clarified the rules about burning oil as additional fuel recently, and the claim is that this will have hurt Ferrari more than it did Mercedes. I guess we'll see in Silverstone." This is a known issue......for how long now? Have not heard this mentioned during broadcasts, but then I don't have the sound on to begin with.....miss those V-10's.

The mentioned it in the broadcast, and it's a pretty known issue- since oil has a lot of energy in it. Push enough past the turbo into the intake, and you have a significant increase in power.

Apparently he only did the installation lap and came back in because the curvature distorted his vision and made him dizzy.

What a pansy. How do WEC drivers possibly manage for a 3 hour stint? How about fighter pilots?

They need to stop with the artificial "open cockpit". It's not like a closed cockpit is untested technology. You can't see the driver hooking an elbow over the edge of the cockpit and wrestling with the wheel while the riding mechanic oils the exposed valvetrain or anything.

In reply to Keith Tanner: Yeah what Keith just said...buncha pu$$y boyz