Between his extremely poor choices on passing and that total bs on his starting position, Vettel needs a race off. I've been sick of the bs from him for years. Waaayyyy to mych of the Jordan effect with him. He could kill someone and get away with it.
I am amazed nothing came of his starting position. It was fitting that he didn't manage to do anything useful with it though.
Since half of his car was out of the box, yet we've seen drive through for other guys who were just out of the box, makes you wonder how much he has to do wrong to get punished.
markwemple wrote: Since half of his car was out of the box, yet we've seen drive through for other guys who were just out of the box, makes you wonder how much he has to do wrong to get punished.
Not a Vettel defender by any means as I think he's a bit of a whiner, but could it be the rules are for the forward distance not the side to side? If he was behind the line, but over slightly, I don't see that as an advantage, per se. Now, if he was PAST the line, that's a different issue and I think it's why others have gotten penalized.
But, it's just speculation on my part. I'm sure someone will show me where there's been a penalty for being outside the box but behind the line.
Looks like Horner has the same question
-Rob
The issue then becomes, why have the boxes at all. It was hard to tell if he was over the line he was so seriously angled, I'd have a hard time imagining he didn't have something forward of what was permitted. They mentioned that the stewards were looking into it but nothing else was ever mentioned. Again, why have the boxes at all if you can do what he did.
In racing there are 3 categories: Illegal, Legal and Not Illegal. Vettel's position at the start was Not Illegal but Christian Horner is now calling for clarification on the rules. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128902/horner-wants-grid-clarity-after-vettel-ploy
I don't blame Vettel at all, the painted lines are slippery and it's a drag race to the first corner
Best part is Vettel is the biggest whiner on the grid. He will bitch about everyone else but never takes personal responsibility.
Sheesh. Did Vettel kick your dog or something? 
Nah, just got sick of his BS back in the day when Webber had to put up with his bs. Then Riccardo shows him how to drive and everyone has excuses for him. His ego makes Hammy's look puny. I don't like dangerous drivers and everyone gets on Verstappen and Grosjean but Vettel is just as bad, or worse.
A rolling start will solve the problem.
sports cars used to do standing starts.
iceracer wrote: A rolling start will solve the problem. sports cars used to do standing starts.
We know what you want.
I did one of those back in the early days.
I really think they need to do that kind of start for LeMons. It would cut down on the first lap carnage, because half the car wouldn't start...
Not getting the Vettel hate. whining seems to be part of the make up of an F1 driver, they all do it. Hell Alonso has made a whole career of it and people love him ('GP2 car GP2 car') Hell Senna and Schumacher were whiners too, but they also added 'dangerous unsporting douchebag' to the equation. I don't consider Vettle a dangerouse driver like those two or as childish as Mini Mad Max.
It's great to see two teams on essentially the same pace (Merc and the prancing handbags) and another just a little behind (Rouge cow) We have a real chance at a close battle between Hammy and Vettel for the WDC with (I hope) Kimi, Bottas, Danny Boy and the brat claiming a few wins along the way to keep it interesting.
It was actually a good race and Kimi needs to go smack the pit wall team up side the head for costing him a possible podium or a certain 4th place.
Remind me the last time anyone used profanity at Charlie Whitting? Anyone?? Jordan effect, without being the clear best (like Jordan). I look at Alonso and Kimi as being direct. Anyone here think his GP2 call wasn't correct. Hell, the fact that Alonso has been in the points with that pig is simply amazing. The chassis is up to spec but that engine is a GP2 lump at best. Honda is such an amazing racing manufacturer. How can they get this soooooo wrong?!
Maybe F1 is hard.
Keith Tanner wrote: Maybe F1 is hard.
Nah.
I wanna know how Renault turned it around. We went from Red Bull badmouthing Renault at every turn, even dropping the moniker, to now having a reasonably competitive power unit. All with hardly any drama or media coverage. They just quietly stopped sucking.
Except for, you know, their actual team/car. They still suck. But the power unit seems decent.
Their chassis is always good at masking hp deficiencies. The red bull still has the best chassis
and is still slow on the straights
That could also be an aero decision. They're trading straight line speed for downforce. Williams did the exact opposite - they decided it was best to be a straight line screamer, even if it slowed them in the corners. From a passing perspective, that makes a certain amount of sense, but you do pay the price on some tracks.
Valid point, I really want Ricciardo to do well
rob_lewis wrote: Alonso to race The Indy 500 Is Honda throwing him a bone to keep him happy? -Rob
This is INSANE.
rob_lewis wrote: Alonso to race The Indy 500 Is Honda throwing him a bone to keep him happy? -Rob
I was just about to post the same thing https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alonso-to-skip-monaco-gp-to-contest-indy-500-892869/
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