First wet race in a long time. Was there a wet race last year? It sure seemed obvious they were out of practice.
First wet race in a long time. Was there a wet race last year? It sure seemed obvious they were out of practice.
Wow, a second exciting F1 race in the same season! I am getting spoiled. I typically do not like wet races but this one was quite good and a bit of an equalizer. Now if we could just see an epic one on one battle with Leclerc and Verstappen for the win. It can't be too far off.
Wait, I heard Alfa got a penalty which allowed Williams to get in the points....
Imma poop my pants if Williams actually does get any points this year.
wvumtnbkr said:Wait, I heard Alfa got a penalty which allowed Williams to get in the points....
Imma poop my pants if Williams actually does get any points this year.
This is why people hate the FIA and F1. Seriously, this is the dumbest penalty I can ever remember. The whole field was stuck behind the safety car for a long time before doing a standing start and the Alfa's clutches were hot and slipped. If anything it was a performance disadvantage. For now Hammy gets 9th and Kubica gets 10th and the HAAS pair get promoted to 7/8th.
the stewards summoned a team representative to discuss an alleged breach of Article 27.1, related to clutch torque application during race starts.
The stewards found the torque in the clutch at the start did not match the torque demand as the driver released the clutch within the specified 70 millisecond maximum period. This time was measured at approximately 300 milliseconds.
A rule on clutch application 
No wonder I am not a fan.
So, Ferrari has their Alfa team working on traction control, then. Interesting.
Streetwiseguy said:So, Ferrari has their Alfa team working on traction control, then. Interesting.
Yes the reason for the rule right there!
Alfa claims it was a known glitch but interesting that both cars had the same glitch at a wet race. Hard to sell that as ok.
Incredibly fun race. Intense the whole way through. Kyvaat is doing the work to get Gasly's seat. Albion would be my choice though. However the Russian financial backing is strong in Red Bull.
MB just made the wrong calls and both drivers made mistakes but maybe only a handful of drivers didn't have spins or pit call mistakes. They still threw the race away.
It was great watching all of the on boards of all the crashes. In the penultimate corner most crashes started before they reached the apex of the prior corner. The track layout seemed to require them to lift or brake almost before the apex of that corner if they were going to make it into the penultimate corner. It is probably the hardest thing I have to do when autocrossing. I want to finish the corner but in the wet the braking zone starts right after the apex so you have to avoid picking up to much speed which feels so alien to taking that same corner in the dry.
Hamilton supposedly has a flu so he probably lost his edge past half way.
Vettel and Sainz had great races. Both had good calls and while they had slow first halfs they got it together at the end.
Bottas did ok but needed to clear Stroll much faster. He didn't seem to have a plan.
I was happy for Honda, double podium!! Yes.
Leclerc just should not have gone to the softs just like others did and then had to change back to intermediate.
Advan046 said:Streetwiseguy said:So, Ferrari has their Alfa team working on traction control, then. Interesting.
Yes the reason for the rule right there!
Alfa claims it was a known glitch but interesting that both cars had the same glitch at a wet race. Hard to sell that as ok.
Sounds too good to be true to me. And given the starts for both Alfas, that was hardly a glitch- that's the kind of fault everyone would want.
Just watched the post race comments of the drivers- quite a few of them complained about the drag strip start at the last corner where there was no grip in the wet.
Next time, just pretend it was grass- same thing would have happened.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I really am getting tired of all of this run off area for the drivers, mores o the extra track they are given an then have to be penalized for when the go faster with all 4 off. The tracks NEED something to slow the drivers down enough to not get hurt, perhaps, but I don't see the need to prevent cars from going into the barrier at all. And the curbs need to be a LOT steeper, so that they stop going that far off the track.
Advan046 said:Streetwiseguy said:So, Ferrari has their Alfa team working on traction control, then. Interesting.
Yes the reason for the rule right there!
Alfa claims it was a known glitch but interesting that both cars had the same glitch at a wet race. Hard to sell that as ok.
The glitch was the clutch slipping. The computer input was 70ms like the rule says, and the clutch took 300ms. There was no traction control. Alfa has said that both cars were overheating the clutch and that they have the data to prove it.
Yeah, I was a bit disappointed to hear complaints about how bad the traction was off track in the wet.....as it's.....off track in the wet.....isn't that supposed to be slick?
In reply to Javelin :
And the "fault" result was that Kimi had a pretty blinding start. What an awesome fault to have....
If it was actually damaging, as implied, the cars should have not finished the race. Instead, I would suspect that they took a major gamble on damage to get a great start, and are now trying to pass it off as a damaging fault.
I can think of many other faults that would lead to a performance advantage, if teams wanted to take the risk....
alfadriver said:In reply to Javelin :
And the "fault" result was that Kimi had a pretty blinding start. What an awesome fault to have....
If it was actually damaging, as implied, the cars should have not finished the race. Instead, I would suspect that they took a major gamble on damage to get a great start, and are now trying to pass it off as a damaging fault.
I can think of many other faults that would lead to a performance advantage, if teams wanted to take the risk....
You do realize that the call for standing over a flying start literally happened while the cars were following the safety car, right? If Alfa had intentionally done such a dumb traction control as to be so easily caught, it would have destroyed their flying start. Not everything is a cover-up you know, sometimes E36 M3 really does just break.
In reply to Javelin :
And if a wing breaks enough that it's no longer legal, it's a fault that would be forced to change or it would be a penalty- which prevents someone bumping into another car, which could gain an aero advantage if done just right....
If teams don't follow the rules, what's the point of having them? It does not matter if it breaks or is intentional- a rule was broken, and the rule was there to prevent an advantage- gained or not. ALL of the teams, including Sauber and now Alfa Romeo, agreed to the rules. It's not as if this is some kind of shock. Including race stewards looking at the telemetry to see the issue- as that is exactly what ALL of the teams agreed to when the rule was made.
Given your opinion of F1, I'm pretty surprised you still waste your time watching the race....
One of the best races to date. I think I said that for the two previous races as well. I can't chime in too much on the Alfa penalties due to not having enough information. I was very happy to see Kimi running near the front. I was surprised to see that Racing Point / Force India / Pink Panthers getting the strategy right. This is the first time they were competitive and to have Stroll up there leading for a couple of laps was good to see. The Honda's showed great pace, but rain is and always has been the great equalizer.
The penalties started in Canada, the FIA is now in a position that they HAVE to enforce everything. Look at Hamilton's penalty for entering the pits on the wrong side of the Bollard!. No one was near him, he had just spun on the Drag strip (which had no grip and took out a lot of competitors) and he went in for better tires. Rules are rules, and as has been expressed we now have a precedent set and it will be how things continue until the end of the season.
If we look at any drag strip starting areas, aren't they nearly always clean and waiting for water to heat up the tires of a drag car? It was bound to be near ice at the last corner if people went off, just due to that. I didn't know that there was a drag strip there to begin with.
In all a great race. I was entertained, the after race penalties and shenanigans take away from the specatacle of the whole thing. On to Hungary.
Yeah, Didn't know about the drag strip either but googled it yesterday. Looks like it runs out the other way than I was expecting.
In reply to johndej :
Which has similar grip to wet grass- as seen scattered all over the track. Sucks to miss the corner, but hey, you make a mistake, and you pay for it. Just as Sergio if they should put high wear concrete on the straight away that he spun on....
I guess I need to read more comments. As it seemed the comments on the drag strip runoff was more along the line of us commenting during the race about how slippery that stuff was!
"Man, did you see that? Maybe lost 1mph across the whole thing!" LOL or after crashing. "Man, that was incredibly slippery!"
fantastic qaulifying by Max to earn his 1st pole, also Williams able to get out of the basement and into P16. This season is quickly shaping up to be interesting
Awesome qualifying. Race to start in a couple of minutes. It will be interesting to see the start and see if verstappen has race pace (seems like he usually does).
First pole for Honda in like a decade!
In reply to wvumtnbkr :
And it’s a lot hotter than anyone expected. So that may put a wrench in plans.
Fantastic race!
Anybody who comes here and says they don't watch F1 because it's not exciting anymore is needing a smack upside the head.
I was with Lewis when he said,"I'm not sure this is the right strategy.". We were both wrong.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
So were we, but the team had a lot of faith in Lewis, and he very much delivered. That was a great drive after that last pit stop.
Given Max's drop off in speed, I wonder if Merc predicted that, and knew 1) the tires would not last, which means 2) Lewis could not attack without the pit stop. It was amazing to see the tires last that long.
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