Having done both standing starts (motorcycles) and rolling starts (SCCA & vintage) my attitude is the fewer the better. From a fan standpoint they are exciting but from a rider/driver standpoint they can be a bit to exciting. When I road race bikes those of us on 125s started in the back (they are geared really tall and don't leap off the line) and more then once I encountered someone near stationary and it's not fun.
I'm happy with the initial standing start.
F2 and F3 raced the same track that weekend and had no problems with their starts.
It's not a matter of being able to pull it off once on a given track. Standing starts are inherently dangerous because of what happens if one car fails to launch as well as the others if at all. Fans love it because of the drama and the fact that the pack is really bunched up, but there's a reason there are more likely to be crashes on the first lap than any other.
I hate the safety car restarts,can they just proceed around to the front straight and go when the green is waved like all other motorsports please.
Standing starts are a bad idea mid race because one side of the track is inevitably going to have a lot of marbles on it after the race has done a few laps. The standing start at the beginning is different because most tracks send a street sweeper out there after qualifying to sweep up the marbles.
In reply to adam525i (Forum Supporter) :
Is F2 or F3 the pinnacle? because they seem to be able to handle it. In addition, the races are for the most part a bore and that seems to be the only thing to liven them up. Let's be honest it's usually the same players who creat the accidents.
trigun7469 said:In reply to adam525i (Forum Supporter) :
Is F2 or F3 the pinnacle? because they seem to be able to handle it. In addition, the races are for the most part a bore and that seems to be the only thing to liven them up. Let's be honest it's usually the same players who creat the accidents.
In which case, I vote we bring back Maldonado!
Anybody know how many superlicense points the current f2 drivers have? I'm not able to turn anything up.
Schumacher to drive an alfa romeo in fp1 at Eiffel grand prix. Ilott to drive a Haas there as well. Exciting!
In reply to wae :
Romain could give Maldonado a run for his money
Honda, Red Bull, and Alpha Tauri have confirmed that Honda will exit F1 after 2021. I can't see Merc selling them an engine, no one would want a Ferrari at this stage, so could they crawl back to Renault?
In reply to wae :
Not a whole lot of other options is there?
In reply to wae :
It's not surprising since Honda has always de-emphasized hybrid technology in its road cars and is completely nowhere in electric car technology.
Having said that, it is a huge disaster for F1 to have the Red Bull engine supplier out after next year from a competitive standpoint. It's another huge disaster to have the biggest car company in the series (if you count Renault and Nissan as two different companies, which I suppose they are after the Japanese shivved Ghosen) pull out. There will be bad optics for Mercedes as well, unfortunately, since Germany is a very green country and Mercedes is light years behind VAG in electric car technology. I see very little upside from this.
I guess the real question is whether in the long term F1 moves towards niche engine suppliers or whether it takes on a road-relevant engine formula?
Renault will be forced to supply the red bull squads because they power the least amount of cars. (Its in the regulations for f1) That is unless the red bull squads can convince Ferrari or Mercedes to sell them engines (Probably unlikely).
Interesting. Not surprising, except for the engine makers resistance to simplify the rules just a little to meet the wants of other engine makers for F1. IIRC, Porsche (read that as VAG, I'm sure) and Cosworth had concepts but did not use the exhaust heat energy recovery (or something like that). The current engine makers held out for the current formula. Which appears to be too much for one of them.
In reply to wvumtnbkr :
I'd rather have no engine then the Ferrari! But yeah, Renault might be back...
Now that there are actually cost controls, maybe it's possible to entice Toyota to come back...
Red Bull should just buy Cosworth and make their own engine
In reply to loosecannon :
That would result in another 5 years of them being a midfield team.
I think Honda's departure leaves F1 in a cross-roads for 2025, either 1) switch to electric/fuel cell and continue to be at the pinnacle of racing/car technology, or 2) Stick with hybrids and become more and more "spec-like" and basically turn into a more expensive European version of IndyCar (which, ironically, may be better for the competitiveness of the racing).
A third option that lands somewhere in-between could be to lock down the power units, make them more "spec-like" - and continue to allow unfettered development on the chassis side.
I'm relatively new to the F1 fandom scene, but I hate to think of the sport without the visceral feeling that ICE engines provide. Should be interesting to see what happens.
BrewCity20 said:I think Honda's departure leaves F1 in a cross-roads for 2025, either 1) switch to electric/fuel cell and continue to be at the pinnacle of racing/car technology, or 2) Stick with hybrids and become more and more "spec-like" and basically turn into a more expensive European version of IndyCar (which, ironically, may be better for the competitiveness of the racing).
Given Honda's statement you have to wonder if they will exit IndyCar too.
Honda said: “Honda needs to funnel its corporate resources in research and development into the areas of future power unit and energy technologies, including fuel cell vehicle (FCV) and battery EV (BEV) technologies, which will be the core of carbon-free technologies.”
In reply to L5wolvesf :
Maybe? Although IndyCar engine development costs are pretty low, no?
In reply to Dave M (Forum Supporter) :
Yes, I believe they are lower. But IIRC IndyCar is going hybrid in 2022. Not sure how much that changes things but the question becomes do they want to make that change (spend that money there?
In reply to L5wolvesf :
True, but I'd have to think there is a pretty big difference between having a building full of engineers trying to eek out every 10th of a horsepower and every 10th of a gram of weight indefinitely vs. just building and assembling an engine that is already designed and locked down.
The optimist in me says Honda just wants that building full of engineers working on EV tech, not F1 engines.
In reply to L5wolvesf :
Didn't realize Indy was going hybrid in 2022. Ouch.
To me, the current F1 technology reminds me of the Doble steam car. Doble made an unbelieveably efficient steam engine - problem was that steam cars weren't around long enough for that tech to be widely adopted. F1 hybrid tech seems to be going that way, people 100 years from now will marvel in how good ICE/hybrid engines could be - but ICE engines won't be around long enough for the crazy tech they are doing now to be adopted into actual production vehicles.
All the talk about how they were here to stay this time...
If I ran Renault, I would tell RB they could only use my engines if they fired that Horner, umm, "character".
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