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12/2/20 8:19 a.m.

Oh man I'm so excited for this race! I'm surprised George isn't looking like the blue berry gum girl from Charlie and the chocolate factory with how many times he's been blue balled. If he doesn't get a point this time...

 

DjGreggieP
DjGreggieP HalfDork
12/2/20 8:57 a.m.

I haven't watched an F1 race in years... I think I may need to watch this weekend tho!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/2/20 9:08 a.m.

No pressure George. 

From the slowest car on the grid to the champion's seat. It's like a dream. Mercedes must have promised the moon, because Williams could easily still finish 9th in the championship and that's a lot of money.

Williams: "OK, but after you guys lock up the 2021 double championship Lewis is ours for the rest of the season!"

Double_Wishbone
Double_Wishbone Reader
12/2/20 9:16 a.m.

Poor Williams.  George is probably their best shot for a championship point.  Which is sad on many levels.

Good for him though, I bet he never thought he could contend for a win this year.  That being said, it's a new track layout and a layout that is pretty different from usual too.  Maybe this will be the strangest race yet this year.

DeadSkunk  (Warren)
DeadSkunk (Warren) PowerDork
12/2/20 9:47 a.m.
wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/2/20 9:48 a.m.
Double_Wishbone said:

Poor Williams.  George is probably their best shot for a championship point.  Which is sad on many levels.

Good for him though, I bet he never thought he could contend for a win this year.  That being said, it's a new track layout and a layout that is pretty different from usual too.  Maybe this will be the strangest race yet this year.

I'm expecting that this is gonna be full of surprises.  Williams MAY be able to get points anyway.   It will most likely be a strange race because the cars are not optimized for this type of layout.

 

Ideally, we see George on the podium and Williams with double points.

 

That would be magic! 

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12/2/20 9:48 a.m.

I'm still geeking.

Now hear me out:

25 points. 

Poor guy, the pressure must be imense. 

DeadSkunk  (Warren)
DeadSkunk (Warren) PowerDork
12/2/20 9:58 a.m.
PMRacing
PMRacing GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
12/2/20 10:03 a.m.

I wonder if any of the teams are calling their NASCAR engineer friends for setup advice. HAAS has an advantage there.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/2/20 10:39 a.m.

Posted (again) by the Mercedes F1 team with the caption "what can we say, it was a really good powerpoint".

trigun7469
trigun7469 SuperDork
12/2/20 10:52 a.m.

stoffel vandoorne must be pretty upset

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/2/20 11:35 a.m.

Something I hadn't realized - Russell drove the Mercedes in practice at Abu Dhabi last year. And when you look back at the pre-season articles talking about driver contracts when Vettel was cut loose, Mercedes always talked about Bottas, Lewis and Russell. So while Vandoorne might have been the backup, he wasn't really. The unofficial Mercedes backup driver was driving a Williams to stay sharp.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/2/20 12:10 p.m.

I actually look at f1 backup drivers as the "oh E36 M3" scenario.

 

Meaning the normal driver is sick or hurt or some other way not able to drive the car at the last minute.

 

Like a backup quarterback.

 

That being said, when you have other options available, your backup quarterback is probably not as good as that available free agent that is /was a starting quarterback.

 

In other words, vandoorne is an insurance policy.  

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/2/20 12:17 p.m.
trigun7469 said:

stoffel vandoorne must be pretty upset

Yeah, I think so. Can't blame him.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
12/2/20 12:38 p.m.

By Sunday, there will be 23 people out of an eight billionish world population who have raced an F1 car in 2020.

Can't feel too bad for Stoffel.

New York Nick
New York Nick GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/2/20 12:41 p.m.

In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :

my favorite was Leclerc. It was interesting to hear the tone in every ones voices and the immediate concern by most drivers for one of their colleagues.

AaronT
AaronT Reader
12/2/20 12:44 p.m.

I'm guessing Stof is a bit sad, but I can't say things are too bad for the guy. He's rumored to be on a million currency salary in FE, and still gets to play with F1 toys. I read an interview where he alluded to not caring for the politics in F1.

codrus (Forum Supporter)
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12/2/20 1:20 p.m.
wvumtnbkr said:

In other words, vandoorne is an insurance policy.  

Pretty much.  They used to be test drivers, but testing is almost completely banned at this point.  They probably do a bunch of simulator development?

 

rob_lewis
rob_lewis GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
12/2/20 2:37 p.m.

Total speculation after the fact, but I wonder if they would have used VanDoorne if it was earlier in the year?  This seems more like a somewhat fun situation since MB has wrapped up the constructor and driver titles.  I assume there's no extra $$ for sealing up the 2nd place driver championship.  Although I imagine that is important to Bottas.

-Rob

Double_Wishbone
Double_Wishbone Reader
12/2/20 3:19 p.m.

Not directly F1 related, but looks like both Audi and BMW are pulling out of Formula E. 

 

F1 better come up with a desirable engine formula moving forward.  If manufacturers don't want to pay-to-play in Formula E, F1 might be a tough sell.  That being said, it looks like IMSA's new LMDh is garnering a lot of support because it'll be really low cost for manufacturers with an added bonus of BoP and parity.  I don't see F1 going in that direction though.  It's sad too that Honda, who seems to have developed a decent F1 engine, is leaving as well because I'm sure no one wants to spend millions to get stomped by Mercedes.

84FSP
84FSP UltraDork
12/2/20 3:20 p.m.
DeadSkunk (Warren) said:

Grosjean says he thought about Niki Lauda and reveals he ‘saw death coming’ in fiery Bahrain crash | Formula 1®

...he wants to drive the last race..........

That guy has huge appendages - not sure I could ever get back in the car after that...

codrus (Forum Supporter)
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12/2/20 3:32 p.m.
Double_Wishbone said:

F1 better come up with a desirable engine formula moving forward.  If manufacturers don't want to pay-to-play in Formula E, F1 might be a tough sell.  That being said, it looks like IMSA's new LMDh is garnering a lot of support because it'll be really low cost for manufacturers with an added bonus of BoP and parity.  I don't see F1 going in that direction though.  It's sad too that Honda, who seems to have developed a decent F1 engine, is leaving as well because I'm sure no one wants to spend millions to get stomped by Mercedes.

It's an open question how long Mercedes will be around as well.  Winning a whole bunch of championships in a row is great, but at some point the marketing value of it goes into diminishing returns and they'll start to wonder why they're spending that much money on it.

Tom1200
Tom1200 Dork
12/2/20 3:35 p.m.

I hope he is able to get back in the car by Abu Dhabi, it's a much better way to finish you career. As far as his mindset, this was about as close to a freak accident as I've seen in sometime, I'm pretty sure once he's in the car he won't give it a single thought.

Double_Wishbone
Double_Wishbone Reader
12/2/20 3:35 p.m.
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:
Double_Wishbone said:

F1 better come up with a desirable engine formula moving forward.  If manufacturers don't want to pay-to-play in Formula E, F1 might be a tough sell.  That being said, it looks like IMSA's new LMDh is garnering a lot of support because it'll be really low cost for manufacturers with an added bonus of BoP and parity.  I don't see F1 going in that direction though.  It's sad too that Honda, who seems to have developed a decent F1 engine, is leaving as well because I'm sure no one wants to spend millions to get stomped by Mercedes.

It's an open question how long Mercedes will be around as well.  Winning a whole bunch of championships in a row is great, but at some point the marketing value of it goes into diminishing returns and they'll start to wonder why they're spending that much money on it.

Yeah, that's an interesting point.  Factor in that eventually they might fall down the ranks too so why not just pull out and close the book with a great ending.

Sonic
Sonic UltraDork
12/2/20 3:48 p.m.

As the winner their share of the f1 prize pool is quite substantial, enough to make the final outlay much less significant than it is without it, especially considering the marketing, engineering, and morale benefits that result. 

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