In reply to accordionfolder :
I agree, i think he thought he had more room off-line than he did because the tarmac and the gravel sort of blended together under those lights. He seemed genuinely surprised when he hit the gravel, he hit the brakes while trying to turn and i think that's the last thing you would want to do to avoid the barrier but by then he was out of options.
He just got caught out, it happens to everybody at some point or another. Ironically had he been more aggressive he may have made it through ok, who knows?
Max was still on the throttle when he was out on the junk. I don't blame him, really, but he needed to resign himself to giving up another couple of spots there, and just gently stroll through the dirty part of the track.
Max was still on the throttle when he was out on the junk. I don't blame him, really, but he needed to resign himself to giving up another couple of spots there, and just gently stroll through the dirty part of the track.
Maybe not on the throttle, but there was definitely a shot of engine noise when he was fully off the racing surface.
Streetwiseguy said:
Max was still on the throttle when he was out on the junk. I don't blame him, really, but he needed to resign himself to giving up another couple of spots there, and just gently stroll through the dirty part of the track.
Maybe not on the throttle, but there was definitely a shot of engine noise when he was fully off the racing surface.
I rewatched and yeah - he wasn't full on brakes, but he was mostly coasting - not flatout. I think it was the gravel color vs asphalt - he clearly thought he had road available to him. It's pretty silly to have the gravel and pavement the exact same color TBH. Especially in a night race.....
Agreed, especially since the drivers need that information if they're considering putting the car sideways as part of the recovery. Not such a great idea if you're about to land in gravel.
Did anyone else get chills when they saw the shot of a spin coming out of turn 3 on the first lap and it was the same angle where we saw Grosjean crash? I was not ready to see a bunch of dust and tire smoke at that point.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Yeah, that was Kimi that went around wasn't it?
Yeah, I watched the post race. They made it pretty clear that max thought that was paved runoff and he was all out of controllable variables when it was suddenly gravel.
I'm just watching again. In Max's defense, he really had no place to go, as he was outside Sergio and Charl. His option was to stop, or slow enough to be able to turn on the gravel.
I had not noticed the amount of dust kicked up on the grid when they pulled off before the green.
Also, on the first restart, nobody had set a fast lap, so the fast lap icon on the leaderboard started at Russel, and changed all the way to the bottom of the grid as the cars crossed the line, since they had hit the throttle earlier on the track. It was kinda cool.
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I was a bit joking with my assessment of Max. I know that racing an F1 car over a blind crest at night near a gravel trap is unfortunately not what I earned as a job. So, I laughed as it was one of those moments in racing where for someone not used to track driving, it just looks silly. It looked ridiculous to my family watching with me. I guess I channeled that incredulity into my comment here. My family hearing the commentators going "Oh no Max what were you thinking" just made it all the more funny.
In reply to Advan046 :
Lol, fair. What a race though! In hindsight I wonder if this display of composure and post race interview grace has earned George more points long term than any run away win would.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
My heart went to my throat when I saw that! The wife made a very odd noise. Our small dog, however, was unphased - the little monster.
So Valteri called this a Mickey Mouse track- but the racing for fans was pretty spectacular. Passes on the straights before the DRS was active, and then it was not so easy as one would expect when they were open. And passes in the twisty bits- they were close enough to each other that when pushed into a mistake, the following driver was able to jump all over it.
There were some amazing passes in that area.
The team contrasts were awesome to notes- Stroll never passed Ocon, but Perez passed them BOTH; Russel passed Bottas on the outside; Albon stuck a pass on the outside... It was really interesting to see who had the confidence to make tough passes stick and who never really tried to do it.
It's interesting to see everyone conclude that it's all driver when Russell did so well- but nobody noted his ability to make a pass when Bottas wouldn't. Like Perez and Stroll.
Anyway- fun race to watch.
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:
So Valteri called this a Mickey Mouse track- but the racing for fans was pretty spectacular. Passes on the straights before the DRS was active, and then it was not so easy as one would expect when they were open. And passes in the twisty bits- they were close enough to each other that when pushed into a mistake, the following driver was able to jump all over it.
There were some amazing passes in that area.
The team contrasts were awesome to notes- Stroll never passed Ocon, but Perez passed them BOTH; Russel passed Bottas on the outside; Albon stuck a pass on the outside... It was really interesting to see who had the confidence to make tough passes stick and who never really tried to do it.
It's interesting to see everyone conclude that it's all driver when Russell did so well- but nobody noted his ability to make a pass when Bottas wouldn't. Like Perez and Stroll.
Anyway- fun race to watch.
Agreed, whether it was a "proper F1 track," I don't care, the race itself was damn exciting.
So, what I hear you saying is, Nascar oval track racing would be cool if they turned right, and made a squiggly bit in the trioval?
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
I would watch F1 at Daytona.
In reply to Rusnak_322 :
Only for the novelty, I can't stomach NASCAR at Daytona and Talledega. It just seems like carnage for the sake of carnage. Seeing half the field get destroyed at every super speedway is silly to me.
Just saw a video from Lewis to his fans- looks like he expects to drive this weekend.
Anybody find a story on mazepin? I heard he did some unscrupulous things recently...
He touched a womans chest in the back seat of a car, then posted the video. Apparently, he is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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In addition to racking up 11 points on his license with his antics at the F2 race. Looks like Haas is going to have their hands full. Wasn't the kid that intentionally rammed another car a few months ago a Haas development driver as well? Not the kid who beat a guy up in the paddock, some other hot-head.
Hopefully that check is large enough for dealing with his antics. I would love to see Haas be successful (or at least where they were the first season), but it sure seems like they are content running around the back at this point.
carczar_84 said:
Hopefully that check is large enough for dealing with his antics. I would love to see Haas be successful (or at least where they were the first season), but it sure seems like they are content running around the back at this point.
Well, at least there will be cars at the back of the grid- between Williams' paying driver and Haas's paying drivers- the racing to not be last will be epic.
Hopefully, the budget limit era will keep drivers like these to a minimum.
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:
Just saw a video from Lewis to his fans- looks like he expects to drive this weekend.
He's certainly hoping to, but I don't know if any test results have been announced. There's been some (manufactured?) drama about both Russell and Bottas removing references to their respective teams from their Instagram profiles, but Janel says that Bottas has never had a Mercedes reference there.
Interesting tech article on the W11 Mercedes over at F1.com. The minimum takeaway is that Mercedes is hard to catch because they don't stop pushing.
Keith Tanner said:
Interesting tech article on the W11 Mercedes over at F1.com. The minimum takeaway is that Mercedes is hard to catch because they don't stop pushing.
When I read those, all it does is remind me that the real problem with F1 isn't Mercedes, it's the rest of the field. The glaring example is that they probably had an idea that Ferrari wasn't exactly following the rules WRT their engine, but they went and found even more efficiency out of their motor.
Let alone a constant review of what the drivers want to fix, even though the car is already pretty dominant.
Mercedes listens to all inputs, takes them all seriously, and then figures out a way to implement the inputs into the car. Even if the input is "needs to turn in better in slow corners."
We forget that Mercedes is following a different trend in the field in more than one way- the low rake concept + long wheelbase. In spite of the "common knowledge" accepting Adrian Newey's ideas, Merc has the best car.
