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Vigo
Vigo MegaDork
6/16/19 11:20 p.m.

Possibly. OTOH if you look at what's happening with Evo Xs, it'll likely become much harder to find a good one in fairly short order.

And in turn we'll be seeing the 1000+hp RS's on whatever passes for youtube in 5 years? I sort of doubt it. I think one of the main reasons the RS is depreciating the way it is is because it's not as compelling to own or modify as many originally thought and a lot of buyers end up getting back out quickly at a loss so they can get something else.

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS HalfDork
6/17/19 12:37 p.m.

In reply to Vigo :

Ford had to build a car that would live up to the euro only rally legend.  It’s a wonder they tried if you ask me.  Few cars rarely live up to such expectations.  

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/17/19 5:57 p.m.
AnthonyGS said:

In reply to Vigo :

Ford had to build a car that would live up to the euro only rally legend.  It’s a wonder they tried if you ask me.  Few cars rarely live up to such expectations.  

Que?  The FoRS is just the FoRS.  The first generation RS was a turbo 2 liter front wheel drive.  The second generation was a front wheel drive with a Volvo five cylinder.  The thrid generation has all wheel drive probably because Ford recognized the limitations of front drive with the second gen RS.

When the WRC switched to 1600s and a different vehicle profile, Ford started using the Fiesta.

If anything, the Fiesta ST is the current "rally legend" not only because the WRCar is a Fiesta, but the R5 "kit car" is essentially a FiST with a trans and suspension package.  (I think)  And, yes, this weeniedom is why I had been crossing fingers and holding on to hope that Ford would make a Fiesta RS.

 

The FoRS is a "rally legend" in the same way the BMW M5 is, in that it isn't, that status is owned by the car's little brother.

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS HalfDork
6/17/19 6:25 p.m.

Yah only 44 WRC victories....  complete turd.  No rep to uphold at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus_RS_WRC

MTechnically
MTechnically Reader
6/17/19 6:27 p.m.

In reply to Knurled. :

I don't think the M5 to M3 is exactly a fair comparison, considering the E28 M5 was released before the E30 M3, and is a legend in it's own right. Not too mention that the M5 can tie its roots back to the E12 M535i, which many consider the predecessor to the M car sedan formula.

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/17/19 6:40 p.m.

In reply to MTechnically :

But the E30 M3 was the rally legend, the E28 was not.  Likewise the 2nd gen Focus was what Gronholmand Hirvonen took to domination, the 1st gen is what McRae wielded like a bludgeon and Sainz controlled like a scalpel.  The fat turd 3rd gen Focus is none of that.

 

I know, apples and horseshoes, but still.

nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan UltraDork
6/17/19 7:01 p.m.

looking at SVTf depreciation can the RS go that low?  And to get really off boost how about a NISMO RS Juke?  I'm seeing nice ones on Carvana for $17k.  Big drop from $30+k. smiley

MTechnically
MTechnically Reader
6/17/19 7:07 p.m.

In reply to Knurled. :

Fair enough. I think it depends on how you approach the question. For me, Ford's RS cars invoke a pedigree that goes beyond the specific model or segment that the current car might occupy. That means that the new FoRS does have some responsibility to live up to the reputation build by cars in the past. I think that should be extended to BMW M cars, Porshe GT3 cars, or any other performance sub-brand within an OEM. Obviously some are better than others at this,o dget me started on X6M's, but I think it's fair for people to expect something special from any of Ford's RS cars.

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/17/19 7:38 p.m.

In reply to MTechnically :

Active handling that surpasses anything else yet made and an overpressurized mill seems pretty special to me.

 

Be nice if it was all put in the Fiesta shell instead of the minivan-like Focus, but you take what you can get.

spacecadet
spacecadet GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/17/19 8:37 p.m.

In reply to Knurled. :

the current RS is a neat car, but unlike the Cosworth which shared pedigree and drivetrains with the racecars.. it has nothing to be related to besides the space frame WRC and ARX/WRX cars. 

 

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