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irish44j
irish44j SuperDork
5/1/12 7:23 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote: Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.

One can get 300hp out of a stock 4cylinder. Subaru does....no V6 needed. And the MS3 engine is pretty close to that too, in a 4cyl.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/1/12 7:44 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I also doubt that Mazda would ever put a rotary in the Miata, but why no V6? Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.

I don't think it fits the image of the Miata. It would also bump it up in the insurance ratings. The Miata is supposed to be a cheap to own and use sports cars. A reliable version of small engined Brit and Italian cars from decades gone past

clutchsmoke
clutchsmoke Reader
5/1/12 7:47 p.m.
ScottRA21 wrote:
ReverendDexter wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I also doubt that Mazda would ever put a rotary in the Miata, but why no V6? Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.
KL + Miata = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQ_R5MO7Vc Don't know if anyone has dropped a DOHC V6 into a newer one however.

I have blue balls from the video. Ugh.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/1/12 8:12 p.m.

I noticed that his stock gages didn't work

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
5/1/12 9:39 p.m.
mad_machine wrote: The Miata is supposed to be a cheap to own and use sports cars.

New Miatas are $35k to $40k (fully loaded) here. I can get into a 1 series beamer for that kind of coin!

poopshovel
poopshovel PowerDork
5/1/12 9:51 p.m.

If the FRS/BRZ is as mind-numbingly boring/uncomfortable as a miata, please add me to the list of h8t3rz, y0.

z31maniac
z31maniac UberDork
5/1/12 10:36 p.m.
HiTempguy wrote:
mad_machine wrote: The Miata is supposed to be a cheap to own and use sports cars.
New Miatas are $35k to $40k (fully loaded) here. I can get into a 1 series beamer for that kind of coin!

More proof that Americas hat sucks!

Vigo
Vigo SuperDork
5/1/12 10:40 p.m.

Im pretty sure theres no way in hell either one is going to be boring.

But then again, i dont find too many cars boring, although sometimes the places i drive them are.

To paraphrase, if you're driving's boring, you're driving boring.

My 58hp and terrible handling CRX HF is pretty boring most of the time, though. I dont know why people keep bringing it up in hybrid discussions. A Prius is less boring (and gets better mileage with 2x more space and 1300 more lbs, but i digress).

ScottRA21
ScottRA21 Reader
5/2/12 2:16 p.m.
clutchsmoke wrote:
ScottRA21 wrote: KL + Miata = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQ_R5MO7Vc Don't know if anyone has dropped a DOHC V6 into a newer one however.
I have blue balls from the video. Ugh.

Blue balls? Expecting something that did not come?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toughTZ9PIw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL59E08B496876C02F

I do hope this fixes that dire situation.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
5/2/12 2:22 p.m.
ScottRA21 wrote:
ReverendDexter wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I also doubt that Mazda would ever put a rotary in the Miata, but why no V6? Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.
KL + Miata = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQ_R5MO7Vc Don't know if anyone has dropped a DOHC V6 into a newer one however.

That car is currently for sale, btw. Though, it no longer has that ITB setup, because i have it.

I can also guide whomever buys it on how to gain a pretty substantial amount of power for very little money if they're willing to put in some time.

evildky
evildky Dork
5/2/12 4:15 p.m.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I wish this video had subtitles, but enjoy anyways!

my translation might be a bit off but I'm pretty sure in the first minutes of the vid they called the miata driver a girl and made a reference to "playing tummy sticks"

MG Bryan
MG Bryan SuperDork
5/2/12 4:19 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
ScottRA21 wrote:
ReverendDexter wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I also doubt that Mazda would ever put a rotary in the Miata, but why no V6? Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.
KL + Miata = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQ_R5MO7Vc Don't know if anyone has dropped a DOHC V6 into a newer one however.
That car is currently for sale, btw. Though, it no longer has that ITB setup, because i have it. I can also guide whomever buys it on how to gain a pretty substantial amount of power for very little money if they're willing to put in some time.

...where is it advertised?

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
5/2/12 4:23 p.m.

Miataturbo.net.

Beware: Price is salty, but NO corners were cut in building this car. Bear in mind that at one point it was built as an assault on the SSM class.

MG Bryan
MG Bryan SuperDork
5/2/12 4:27 p.m.

Holy berkeley! $15000? I'll just keep piecing together turbo parts..

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
5/2/12 4:32 p.m.
MG Bryan wrote: Holy berkeley! $15000? I'll just keep piecing together turbo parts..

It's OBO... i'm pretty sure he would go a little lower.

And like i said... i know how to coax another 20-30whp out of it for peanuts.

But yeah... turbo is probably cheaper in this case. Gotta remember when it was built there wasn't much KL Megasquirt support.

MG Bryan
MG Bryan SuperDork
5/2/12 4:36 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
MG Bryan wrote: Holy berkeley! $15000? I'll just keep piecing together turbo parts..
It's OBO... i'm pretty sure he would go a little lower. And like i said... i know how to coax another 20-30whp out of it for peanuts. But yeah... turbo is probably cheaper in this case. Gotta remember when it was built there wasn't much KL Megasquirt support.

It's an awesome car, and I hope he gets 15 for it. It just won't be from me. I could never tie that much money up in a Miata.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
5/2/12 4:38 p.m.
MG Bryan wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
MG Bryan wrote: Holy berkeley! $15000? I'll just keep piecing together turbo parts..
It's OBO... i'm pretty sure he would go a little lower. And like i said... i know how to coax another 20-30whp out of it for peanuts. But yeah... turbo is probably cheaper in this case. Gotta remember when it was built there wasn't much KL Megasquirt support.
It's an awesome car, and I hope he gets 15 for it. It just won't be from me. I could never tie that much money up in a Miata.

Did you check his blog for his turbo miata build? He decided the KLiata wasn't the hot ticket for SSM so he built a ridiculous turbo BP Miata because.... well... because.

MG Bryan
MG Bryan SuperDork
5/2/12 4:41 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
MG Bryan wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
MG Bryan wrote: Holy berkeley! $15000? I'll just keep piecing together turbo parts..
It's OBO... i'm pretty sure he would go a little lower. And like i said... i know how to coax another 20-30whp out of it for peanuts. But yeah... turbo is probably cheaper in this case. Gotta remember when it was built there wasn't much KL Megasquirt support.
It's an awesome car, and I hope he gets 15 for it. It just won't be from me. I could never tie that much money up in a Miata.
Did you check his blog for his turbo miata build? He decided the KLiata wasn't the hot ticket for SSM so he built a ridiculous turbo BP Miata because.... well... because.

Sounds like I need to have a look, since my principle goal is ridiculousness and my only reasoning is because.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/2/12 4:55 p.m.

at least with the turbo miata.. he might have working gages

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
5/2/12 5:06 p.m.
mad_machine wrote: at least with the turbo miata.. he might have working gages

I believe the gauges in the V6 car work now. It's not hard to make them work with the KL swap.

It's not the same owner as who was driving it in the videos previously posted.

kreb
kreb GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
5/2/12 5:10 p.m.

What struck me about the video was how well the Miata hung in there. With a worse power-to-weight ratio and more body lean, I expected the Toybarus to walk away with it.

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/4/12 12:46 p.m.
HStockSolo wrote:
Keith wrote: The NC can't run a 255 without fender pulling. 235 is more realistic on an unmodified body. Just FYI.
I know with rolling not pulling--I am sure the Tire Rack guys didn't violate the SCCA ST rules.

As someone who has actually put the exact same wheel/tire combo used on the GRM/Tire Rack NC on a 2006 - pulling is required. I don't care what the regs say, I only know what the metal says.

HStockSolo
HStockSolo Reader
5/4/12 1:12 p.m.

255/40R17 Star Specs was actually the first modification they made to the car too. If this is really not possible within the confines of ST rules, GRM really needs to publish a correction to the project series.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
5/4/12 1:12 p.m.
kreb wrote: What struck me about the video was how well the Miata hung in there. With a worse power-to-weight ratio and more body lean, I expected the Toybarus to walk away with it.
HiTempguy wrote: That "race" was actually a show. With the aforementioned power/weight ratio of the BRZ/FRS, it should have easily passed it on any of the straights. Also, remember that the BRZ/FRS come stock with TERRIBLE tires. What does the Miata come stock with?

cough

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