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Travis_K
Travis_K UltraDork
7/19/13 12:01 p.m.
beans wrote:
Travis_K wrote:
beans wrote: I'd stay the hell away from an EP3 Civic. Suspension=E36 M3. They're god berkeleying ugly, too. At least get an RSX if you're going to force the worst Honda suspension ever designed upon yourself.
Not to say that I think they are good looking or that I want one, but I used to see one of those civics show up at autocross events in my area and run in HS. I am sure it was mostly the driver, but it was seconds faster than the pack of spec STS 89-91 civics that would show up too, and many other cars that you wouldn't expect.
HS=hoosiers. You can do a LOT of damage on hoosiers. Probably had a MASSIVE rear bar on it to get the suspension back there to not move. The rear suspension on that platform is absolutely crap comparitively to other Honda platforms. When it compresses, it binds almost immediately. Realtime switched to the TSX from the RSX(mainly) because the geometry is horrid, and Realtime basically kept no components from the stock rear suspension on the RSX. Like I said to the OP, keep the Accord, it's a great platform that doesn't get a lot of attention/support, but there's things out there you can do to it for pretty cheap that will make it a very fun, well handling, and entertaining car.

It actually had street tires, less sticky that the azenis on the STS cars. Again I'm not saying its the best car in the world, just that the difference can't be that horrible for an excellent driver to be able to drive that as fast as an average driver in a spec STS build.

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
7/19/13 12:10 p.m.
beans wrote: found it! http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=190356

Ew. So. Much. Hackery. And. Stupid.

Car LOOKS cool, though.

beans
beans Reader
7/19/13 12:20 p.m.

In reply to Swank Force One:

My thoughts exactly. Terrible execution.

poopshovel
poopshovel MegaDork
7/19/13 1:06 p.m.
Vigo wrote:
yes, I know some people will argue this with that challenge XJ, but for the most part
It's not JUST the challenge jeep. There are a cadre of cherokees and comanches doing actual road racing and winning at it, i get updates about them on my facebook all the time.

Oh great. Now you've got me fantasizing about being "King of the Appalachian-Americans" by bringing a Jeep to the dirt track.

Vigo
Vigo UltraDork
7/19/13 9:34 p.m.
Subjective, i suppose...
I agree, its subjective......depends on the gear ratios as well.

I think where it comes from is people probably drive an auto first, and then drive a 5spd expecting it to feel way faster, and it doesn't, right away.. But nevertheless it is and it becomes really apparent when you go balls to the wall at highway speeds and downshift to 3rd at ~65mph in both. Not so apparent in 1st or maybe even 2nd gear. The 5-spd having 3.07s instead of 3.50s definitely hurts it. When we put a 3.50 rear end in my friend's 5spd cherokee, he found the rev limiter for the first time ever, spinning through 2nd. It promptly shat out the water pump seal. For some reason the rev limiter lets a 4.0 go over 6000 rpm when it stops making power at 5..

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