wspohn wrote:
You knew as soon as Pontiac came out with this, they would kill it. (In keeping with Pontiac tradition of making an awesome car then killing it.)
wspohn wrote:
You knew as soon as Pontiac came out with this, they would kill it. (In keeping with Pontiac tradition of making an awesome car then killing it.)
Honestly I don't see the point of buying a GTO when the G8 GXP weighs a similar amount, but has so much more room and utility. The GTO is much easier to find though.
I've driven the V10 M5, and the 6spd G8 GXP and I liked the Pontiac / Holden better even if price was no object. The G8 is so much more direct, while the M5 has so much technological intrusion that it is constantly trying to outsmart the driver. (motorized seat bolsters? hell no!)
Didn't they only build about 1200 solstice coupes before the plant closed? The normal solstice is good looking but that coupe is amazing.
In reply to Joe Gearin:
I would love to get a G8 GXP . . . finding one for sale (and in my price range) is like winning a lottery without playing. Where as I'm tempted by GTOs all day from 8-15K . . .
BoostedBrandon wrote: Didn't they only build about 1200 solstice coupes before the plant closed? The normal solstice is good looking but that coupe is amazing.
around that...I think the exact number is 1266 and about half are GXPs. We traded in our GXP vert for a black GXP coupe. I like the coupe a lot better. Love that it's a targa.
pinchvalve wrote:wspohn wrote:You knew as soon as Pontiac came out with this, they would kill it. (In keeping with Pontiac tradition of making an awesome car then killing it.)
To be fair, Pontiac didn't kill it, they got killed by the Gubberment. 
That car is going to be worth bank soon. Sooooo pretty!
Joe Gearin wrote: Honestly I don't see the point of buying a GTO when the G8 GXP weighs a similar amount, but has so much more room and utility. The GTO is much easier to find though. I've driven the V10 M5, and the 6spd G8 GXP and I liked the Pontiac / Holden better even if price was no object. The G8 is so much more direct, while the M5 has so much technological intrusion that it is constantly trying to outsmart the driver. (motorized seat bolsters? hell no!)
Easy, availability. They only made like 3 GXP 6-speeds before Congress hung Pontiac out to dry (okay, it's more than 3, but not by much), whereas the GTO enjoyed 3 years of solid production with the manual You can't even get the regular G8 GT with a stick!
So, once you find one of these mythical unicorn-horned centaur beasts, you will have to pay out the nose to actually own it, whereas a similar condition/mileage GTO will run you about half.
Also, the GTO looks better. 
racinginc215 wrote: GM Killed Pontiac for a loan. Jim Waldron a Michigan Pontiac dealer had the financing in place to buy Pontiac it's logos and plants and continue production of Pontiac's GM turned him down cold and said Pontiac was not for sale. But Saturn was. Henderson had a deal on the table that would have negated most of the government loan. GM chose to end Pontiac and 8000 jobs.
Problem was all the toxic assets and liabilities GM had. They had to go bankrupt to wipe that, the money really didn't matter. Now they're off the hook for all of the old recalls, lawsuits, plant closures, and toxic waste cleanup. The suits alone would have crushed them.
racinginc215 wrote: Except they were not let off the hook for all of it. They have to pay for the plant clean ups still. still have to pay for the toxic waste only released 40% of lawsuits. And the recalls stand no matter what. All that happened was GM was Sold to GM and Motors Liquidation was formed to pay off all the old debt and settle lawsuits. same company. except Motors Liquidation does not have to disclose an financial information. I've got about 200 Letters from the bankruptcy court if you want them as an Employee every time they made a motion we got a letter. they must has spent millions on postage.
I don't think you follow. NEW GM doesn't have to pay jack-diddly for any of it. OLD GM (Motors Liquidation, operating with original GM's incorporation date/numbers in bankruptcy) is still on the hook for some, but then they don't make cars anymore. They are indeed different companies.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/29/old-gm-coughs-up-2-8m-to-12-states-for-mercury-claims/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/27/wsj-looks-at-who-the-auto-bailouts-really-left-behind/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/13/general-motors-retirees-suing-for-lost-benefits/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/09/gm-workers-suing-company-union-over-pay/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/05/report-judge-approves-plan-to-clean-up-old-gm-sites/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/23/report-gm-to-get-14-billion-domestic-tax-break/
Not very up on International car styling, are you? The GTO is just a Holden Monaro, which is a 2-door Commodore, and has had that shape longer than the Avenger of which you speak. (The 1993 Commodore started the shape and the 1997 VT Commodore started the actual stampings used).
LOL. I go out of my way not to talk over peoples' heads. Im up on comedic license, how bout that?
Vigo wrote:Not very up on International car styling, are you? The GTO is just a Holden Monaro, which is a 2-door Commodore, and has had that shape longer than the Avenger of which you speak. (The 1993 Commodore started the shape and the 1997 VT Commodore started the actual stampings used).LOL. I go out of my way not to talk over peoples' heads. Im up on comedic license, how bout that?
I don't really know what you're getting at, but whatever. We all know that everything else is a copy of the vaunted Chrysler FWD platform 
I always liked the mid-90's Avenger's looks. Those have the 2.4L DOHC, so at least you can go the SRT4 route with those. 
SilverFleet wrote: I always liked the mid-90's Avenger's looks. Those have the 2.4L DOHC, so at least you can go the SRT4 route with those.
Except the engines are reversed between the SRT4 and Avenger.
I don't really know what you're getting at, but whatever.
My point is that if i decided to qualify my tongue-in-cheek joke with the info in your post, there'd be no point in making the joke at all. That's what i mean by comedic license. As it is, i left the door open for posts like yours in the incorrect assumption that the joke would be taken in the spirit it was offered and not exploited by someone as a way to insinuate their superiority in car knowledge. I wasnt trying to start a kingofthistinyhillijustmadeup match by making a joke.
We all know that everything else is a copy of the vaunted Chrysler FWD platform
What does this have to do with anything? I extoll the virtues of k-cars, sure, but i dont claim they're superior to anything. And the Avenger isn't a chrysler platform in the same sense anyway, it's a 2g dsm, predominantly mitsu imo.
Except the engines are reversed between the SRT4 and Avenger.
That's not true. The 2.0 avenger uses the same layout as a neon/srt-4 other than the intake and exhaust being on different sides of the head. You can still bolt an srt-4 motor straight up to a 2.0 avenger tranny.
Also they came with 2.0s, not 2.4s.
But enough about Avengers. Sorry i even said anything.
Vigo wrote: Also they came with 2.0s, not 2.4s. But enough about Avengers. Sorry i even said anything.
I stand corrected. I'm still a noob to this whole turbo Mopar thing.
And I still really want a GTO and/or a G8 GT or GXP. 
Vigo wrote:I don't really know what you're getting at, but whatever.My point is that if i decided to qualify my tongue-in-cheek joke with the info in your post, there'd be no point in making the joke at all. That's what i mean by comedic license. As it is, i left the door open for posts like yours in the incorrect assumption that the joke would be taken in the spirit it was offered and not exploited by someone as a way to insinuate their superiority in car knowledge. I wasnt trying to start a kingofthistinyhillijustmadeup match by making a joke.
Try using a smiley next time, that's what they're for. Sometimes it is difficult to tell a serious post from sarcasm. Thanks! 
Just bringing this thread back a bit to mention that a friend just picked up a G8 GT (not the GXP, but a V8/auto car). We went to the local 1/8 mile last night. Conditions were pretty bad. He was running 9.25s at 77 mph; for reference, my ESP-prepped LS1 Camaro ran 8.97 at 82.11. We're going to weigh the G8 and get some baseline dyno numbers soon. I'll post both here just in case anyone cares.
Will wrote: Just bringing this thread back a bit to mention that a friend just picked up a G8 GT (not the GXP, but a V8/auto car). We went to the local 1/8 mile last night. Conditions were pretty bad. He was running 9.25s at 77 mph; for reference, my ESP-prepped LS1 Camaro ran 8.97 at 82.11. We're going to weigh the G8 and get some baseline dyno numbers soon. I'll post both here just in case anyone cares.
That's...
Not that good. My slightly modified turbobrick ran 9.46 on a very iffy pass. It's lighter but it was also down like 150 hp on a G8 V8.
In reply to tuna55:
We had both hoped for better, certainly. Both our 60-foot times were horrible, in the 2.2x range. There was an SRT8 Challenger running times similar to mine, so everyone there was hurting. I'd like to think that better track prep would help quite a bit, but who knows.
Either way, I wasn't trying to impress anyone, just reporting something that seemed relevant to the discussion.
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