Boo for another compliance car
Good for them.
I wonder how much less expensive it will be than a Tesla.
tuna55 wrote: Boo for another compliance car
Agreed, considering how well the EC is set up for them. Like here in the DC metro area, where most people that work here live within 50 miles of the place and make decent money. EVs and PHEVs are quite viable and MD at least follows Cali's emissions standards (though not their sales requirements)
I'll take the non-boo for another compliance car side. My commute is 50 miles each way, so with the exception of the Model S, EVs are not an option for me. Hence why I got a Prius instead of another Leaf after mine was totaled. I'd love an EV with a 200 mile range, compliance car or not. Plus I'm on the run a lot, so the extended range would be good so I don't have to try to grab 20 minutes of charge here and 30 minutes there just to "top off".
Isn't a 200 mile range a big leap from where they are now? Why would advancing the technology be a bad thing?
Compliance car meaning they're possibly not going to make very many of them so getting a hold of one might be difficult or impossible. Article states possible production numbers of 1800 units in 2 years so they're not exactly going to be sitting on the corner lot. It could be wrong though, it's all rumor at this point.
dculberson wrote: Compliance car meaning they're possibly not going to make very many of them so getting a hold of one might be difficult or impossible. Article states possible production numbers of 1800 units in 2 years so they're not exactly going to be sitting on the corner lot. It could be wrong though, it's all rumor at this point.
All that really means is that the GM may think that there isn't a big enough market for the car- so they will make the required minimum, and that's all. Even if it could be technically superior to cars that cost more.
Whether they actually think that or not, we don't actually know, since NONE of this has come directly from GM.
Heck, we don't even actually know IF GM is going to take the technology farther and cheaper than everyone else, as this was all speculation.
But if they do, good for them. They were the first major OEM to bet so much on electric cars in the first place.
http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/bolt-ev-concept-car.htm
And Tesla gets so much credit for changing the industry so radically.
So much talk about the $35k sedan that they let GM do it first. With more range.
Shocking.
Will it actually cost $35k though? Fiat had the 500e as a "compliance car" and they were losing money on every one they built and sold.
I like the idea of electric cars but cost and range just isn't there for me.
A Fiesta 1L ecoboost getting 42-48mpg and having $10k for gas sounds like a better deal to me.
But I'm also the type to pay for a new engine for my Cobalt xfe and keep getting 38+mpg(winter) - 42+mpg(summer) till the frame rusts out from under me.
alfadriver wrote: Shocking.
I LOL'ed at this, but I think the Bolt would be electrifying.
GameboyRMH wrote: Will it actually cost $35k though? Fiat had the 500e as a "compliance car" and they were losing money on every one they built and sold.
Considering how much each EV1 cost, I doubt that a very low volume loss car is a big deal to them.
Being the large behmoth that Telsa wants to beat gives them a lot of flexibility.
Then again, it could cost $35k. GM has a lot of experience making very large amounts of stuff. More than Telsa does.
I believe it's still a compliance car, meaning not for sale unless it's one of those states with the strictest requirements for EVs. If so, it obviously isn't making money.
They were talking about it on NPR today. While the Engineer they were interviewing could not give details on the "Secret sauce" he mention a few good tidbits.
It has three modes for charging. 120v, 240v and a DC mode that incorporates a transformer to turn AC to DC for even faster charging (though he would not give times to charge)
And the battery pack is the same size as the Volts.. but much more powerful
I like it. Someone needs to build a Lipo-Battery, Brushless motor car now.
And Tesla's now saying they will beat it to market by a year and undercut its price by at least $5k.
I like how the Bolt looks quite a bit and I would love to buy one to replace the Leaf. Too bad it will be a year late for that to happen, and they might not sell it in my state.
They have the Spark EV now, and it tested pretty well vs the other electrics on the market. Not a 200 miler though. Its strange that the actually got better with the electric motor instead of the gas one! The Bolt looks like a regular car, and thats a good thing vs the Leaf etc...
chada75 wrote: I like it. Someone needs to build a Lipo-Battery, Brushless motor car now.
Sarcasm?
Pretty much all modern EVs are brushless (AC motors) and use lightweight batteries. Heck, electric forklifts have been using brushless AC motors for well over a decade now. The main ingredients of EV tech are fairly mature. Battery cost and range are the remaining limiting factors, and they are making progress with those too.
the one thing I like about Tesla over all the other electrics and Hybrids.. the cars look like cars. I do not like cars that look like science projects. It almost seems like the people building electric cars build them to fail on looks alone
I love the Bolt. It's a 2 box CUV form factor that has better ingress and egress and storage than a low slung sedan. Add to that dealershps everywhere, vs an unproven manufacturer that can't sell cars in most states and the Bolt will do well.
tuna55 wrote: I believe it's still a compliance car, meaning not for sale unless it's one of those states with the strictest requirements for EVs. If so, it obviously isn't making money.
GM executive Michael Simcoe: "This is a concept, but it's a statement that we know how to deliver a vehicle like this and will deliver 200 miles and it will be 30-ish thousand dollars after incentives... If we were to do a vehicle like this, there would be no point in doing it unless we made it available in all 50 states... And we won't talk about it, but we could offer it in other countries as well."
nderwater wrote:tuna55 wrote: I believe it's still a compliance car, meaning not for sale unless it's one of those states with the strictest requirements for EVs. If so, it obviously isn't making money.GM executive Michael Simcoe: "This is a concept, but it's a statement that we know how to deliver a vehicle like this and will deliver 200 miles and it will be 30-ish thousand dollars after incentives... If we were to do a vehicle like this, there would be no point in doing it unless we made it available in all 50 states... And we won't talk about it, but we could offer it in other countries as well."
Ahh, I missed that. I read when it was initially announced that it was not intended for all 50. Thanks!
Then build it, please!
I have no desire to drive a Sonic based Bolt.
If Tesla delivers the Model 3 as a BMW 3-series competitor (on size/scale/finish) at $35K as Musk is proclaiming I will buy one.
I need 150+ mile daily commute range for an EV to be feasible.
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