So I just noticed via KBB's "perfect car finder" that there's a new "sweet spot" for 911s. Early 996 Carreras seem stupid cheap, according to KBB. A quick survey of AutoTempest confirmed that , yes Virginia, there really are 1999 Porsche 911s for sale in the low teens.
Whereas, late 80's Carreras appear to be either holding steady or rising.
Now, I know the purists criticized the 996 when it came out, but I have to say it's looking better.
Thoughts?
I just learned via a popular magazine that you can stuff an LS3 in them pretty seamlessly to solve early engine issues.
Awesome. Simply Awesome.
Off to check craigslist for a blown motor 996.
Wait. WHAT?
The main issue is that some early 996s with the 3.4L motor had rather expensive engine failures - the "ship the engine to Germany and get another one" type engine failure, hence the depressed prices.
How much was the adapter? Or did GM have a stroke of GENIUS and produced the LSx engines to match an established Porsche bellhousing design with intentions of undercutting Porsche's overwhelmingly expensive engine replacement parts business?
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Wait. WHAT?
yes. This. Answer this. Then get me one, of each.
RossD wrote: How much was the adapter? Or did GM have a stroke of GENIUS and produced the LSx engines to match an established Porsche bellhousing design with intentions of undercutting Porsche's overwhelmingly expensive engine replacement parts business?
You know, that would actually be a remarkable profitable thing for GM performance parts to do. Just make custom bellhousings for everything for the LSx motors.
In reply to tuna55:
If that were the case, I think I'd tell everyone I was a Chevy guy and abandon the Ford camp.
Current issue of GRM has an article on swapping an LS3 into a 911. It fits. According to the article, the 911 for the project had a blown engine and was under $10K.
Edit: see that's mentioned above; I've added some material.
Teggsan wrote: Current issue of GRM has an article on swapping an LS3 into a 911. It fits. According to the article, the 911 for the project had a blown engine and was under $10K. Edit: see that's mentioned above; I've added some material.
Interesting. I hope my issue comes soon...
Teggsan wrote: Current issue of GRM has an article on swapping an LS3 into a 911. It fits. According to the article, the 911 for the project had a blown engine and was under $10K. Edit: see that's mentioned above; I've added some material.
Sorry - I'm usually the last one to get his mag... I just assumed you all knew what I was talking about.
AAARRRGGGHHH! where's me magazine?
I've just returned from Vegas where I visited the Renegade shop.
Yes you want one, and yes they do impressive work. They also transplant LSX motors into the 944,928 and for a major dose of hilarity.....914!
They are also working on a new project that will be pretty mind blowing when it is finished. Stay tuned......
I can't find the cost of the kit conversion kit. Anyone know? That looks to be well thought out and a great swap!
mw wrote: I can't find the cost of the kit conversion kit. Anyone know? That looks to be well thought out and a great swap!
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/ top of the left column is the 996 link.
Sign me up.
tuna55 wrote:RossD wrote: How much was the adapter? Or did GM have a stroke of GENIUS and produced the LSx engines to match an established Porsche bellhousing design with intentions of undercutting Porsche's overwhelmingly expensive engine replacement parts business?You know, that would actually be a remarkable profitable thing for GM performance parts to do. Just make custom bellhousings for everything for the LSx motors.
Lakewood sorta does this. They have a blow-proof bellhousing system that splits in two. Buy the flywheel side to match your engine and the clutch side to match the transmission and voila. But that doesn't solve motor mounts, etc. That would be a freaking genius business plan though!
if you go the blown motor route than its worth it. its about $7k for all the parts, if you buy all their options. no info on labor rates or fees. anyone know if the labor is rolled into the prices online?
RossD wrote: How much was the adapter? Or did GM have a stroke of GENIUS and produced the LSx engines to match an established Porsche bellhousing design with intentions of undercutting Porsche's overwhelmingly expensive engine replacement parts business?
The whole kit is available from Renegade Hybrids for about ten grand. 25 grand in and you have an amazing performer with 500ish horsepower.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I just learned via a popular magazine that you can stuff an LS3 in them pretty seamlessly to solve early engine issues.
Yeah, I learned from some internet sleuthing (for my own LSX P-car swap) that Renegade Hybrids have nearly the worst customer service in the galaxy. They didn't like the fact that some (many) very unhappy customers were airing their dirty laundry and they bought that site and censored anything negative. Then shut the site down. they did a similar thing on another board. What were these folks unhappy about??? Only headers cracking, motor mounts failing, shoddy workmanship and more.
Just a warning to those thinking about it.
Joe Gearin wrote: I've just returned from Vegas where I visited the Renegade shop. Yes you want one, and yes they do impressive work. They also transplant LSX motors into the 944,928 and for a major dose of hilarity.....914!
I've driven their 944 and 914s. All that can be said is
$25k gets you a pretty nice Vette 
amg_rx7 wrote: $25k gets you a pretty nice Vette
With the motor in its proper place
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