docwyte
docwyte SuperDork
7/30/18 8:26 a.m.

I may have found a good challenge car.  Purchase price will be $1.   Have some questions about budget etc.  How much can I recoup off the car?

What counts as safety items so don't go against the budget?  Things like brakes, tires, bushings?  This is a BMW, so it needs the entire cooling system refreshed, would all of those maintenance items count against the budget?

I've accumulated a good amount of spare parts, many purchased in blocks of parts, some of which I sold which zero'ed out the rest.  That ok?

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk PowerDork
7/30/18 8:40 a.m.

First, was the car available to anyone for $1 , or is that a special price for you? If it's only for you then you need a FMV (fair market value). If it was available to the public for $1 t.hen you can only recoup what you paid for it, $1. Any further sales are money in your pocket , but not counted as recoup. You can replace any brake component on the car with the same part, but new and it doesn't hit your budget. You can put 4 tires in for no budget hit. Bushings are a budget hit, as are any maintenance items except fluids.

You can buy a block of parts and zero out the pile and use the rest at no budget hit. You should have receipts for purchases and sales to put in your build book.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
7/30/18 8:55 a.m.

And you can recoup up until $1009.

docwyte
docwyte SuperDork
7/30/18 8:59 a.m.

In reply to DeadSkunk :

Alot of those parts I bought years ago through typical craigslist transactions, ie no receipts.  Do I just make one up?  Car was offered up online to a group of BMW guys, so no, it wasn't just offered to me.

Ranger50, I can recoup half the $2018 budget, that's where the $1009 number comes from?

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
7/30/18 9:02 a.m.

http://www.grmchallenge.com/rules/

In my mind, if you are buying a car for $1, there is a strong chance that part of the reason it is so cheap is because it needs a lot of maintenance. Maintenance replacement parts are not budget neutral.

Here's the budget piece from the rules, I bolded the pertinent lines for your questions:

Net cost of the Challenge car and its preparation for presentation at the event must be equal to or less than a dollar amount equaling the year of the competition. Your purchase price of the Challenge car cannot top that year’s budget cap. 

Up to half the total annual budget may be recouped by selling parts originally included with or attached to the Challenge car, related parts car(s), or related parts packages at the time of purchase. You may not factor gains or losses made from buying, selling or trading unrelated parts into your budget. 

You may never recoup more than a part or car’s purchase price or fair market value (whichever value you listed on your budget sheet.) You may not list fair market value instead of purchase price on your budget unless you do not have a receipt from the purchase, or depreciation/appreciation has drastically affected the car or part’s value.  Free parts must be known to and available to the public (eg. sitting in a ditch on the side of the road). “Free” parts given to you by a friend must be added to the budget at fair market value.

In English, what does this mean?

For 2018, the budget cap is $2018.

For 2018, the most you can recoup through parts sales is $1008.50.

For 2018, the max you can initially pay for a Challenge car is $2018.

If you buy a part for $40, decide it won’t work, then resell that part for $50, you may not recoup $10. Leave this unrelated transaction out of your budget sheet entirely.

If you buy an engine for $100, use the heads on your Challenge car, then resell the rest of the engine for $80, you may recoup $80, assuming your build has not already hit the recoup limit.

If you buy an engine for $100, use the heads on your Challenge car, then resell the rest of the engine for $300, you may recoup $100, assuming your build has not already hit the year’s recoup limit.

If you bought an engine last week for $800, but the fair market value is actually $200, you must still add it to your budget at $800. 

If, 30 years ago, you bought an engine for $800, you may add it to your budget at today’s fair market value if you desire to.

Fluids (including gasoline, oil and brake fluid) are not required to be included in the budget. Nitrous oxide refills do not count toward the budget (however, the cost of the equipment that comes along with a nitrous setup does need to be added to the budget). Nominal amounts of grease (such as what’s required to pack bearings) do not need to be included in the budget. 

Costs to pick up your hooptie from the seller are exempt.

Title fees and so on, in case you bothered, are exempt.

Shipping counts toward parts prices. Sales tax does not.

These safety items are budget-exempt: seat belt or harness; fire extinguisher; roll bar padding; wheel lugs, studs and bolts, and four tires. Brake friction materials, lines, calipers, master cylinders, rotors and drums may be replaced with fresh ones that are functional duplicates. The purpose of this rule is to allow for fresh brake components, not to allow for budget shenanigans. For example, original brake parts cannot be sold and then re-bought to take advantage of this allowance.

The Reese Rule: SFI-approved harmonic balancers, SFI-approved flywheels and SFI-approved flex plates are budget-neutral. These parts are dangerous rotating assemblies that should be treated with respect. Any intact harmonic balancer, flywheel, or flex plate listed on the budget may be exchanged for a duplicate SFI-approved part without increasing or decreasing the budget. “Duplicate” is defined as having the same listed application as the standard part in a major parts catalog. In situations where a standard part is not present to exchange, fair market value of the standard part may be used.

SFI-approved transmission shields, SFI-approved flex plate shields, and SFI-approved bell housings are not rotating parts, and are not budget exempt. You may still be required to use one or all, depending on your car’s construction and E.T. in the drags.

Any inside deals—parts, whole cars, trades, donations, stolen parts, etc.—must be added to the budget at fair market value. If you can’t figure out the value of a part, ask on the message board at grassrootsmotorsports.com.

Labor you perform yourself does not count. Any labor you pay for counts. If you run a shop and your paid employees work on the car, then it counts.

The Stampie Rule: We’re sorry that your car is having an issue at the event, but we can no longer turn a blind eye so you can get back in the game. Parts borrowed at the event must be added to the budget at purchase price or fair market value. If two builds elect to share parts at the challenge, such as a set of wheels and tires, then the parts must be included in both builds’ budgets at the full purchase price or fair market value.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
7/30/18 9:35 a.m.

In reply to docwyte :

Yes.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/30/18 9:41 a.m.
Ranger50 said:

And you can recoup up until $1009.

This is incorrect. 

He can recoup $1. That’s all. That’s what he bought the car for  

If he buys more parts, etc with recoup value, he can recoup up to $1009 or the value of the purchase, whichever is LESS. 

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/30/18 9:44 a.m.

In reply to docwyte :

At the risk of being “that guy”, have you read the rules?  You really need to.

$2018 Challenge rules

Your questions so far are really basic, and easily answered from the rules.

 

tb
tb Dork
7/30/18 10:11 a.m.

In reply to docwyte :

It really sounds like what you need is a veteran teammate. The rules and schedule are fairly all straightforward stuff but the overall experience from start to finish can be, well, challenging...

 

I can't wrench like I used to, nor drive as well either. Also, I am not particularly current on every little rulebook nuance. Shut, I can be downright annoying! What I can offer is extremely valuable experience; I have seen many, many crapcans compete down in FL over the decades.

 

You got my number if you want to bench race or whatever.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
7/30/18 10:20 a.m.
SVreX said:
Ranger50 said:

And you can recoup up until $1009.

This is incorrect. 

He can recoup $1. That’s all. That’s what he bought the car for  

If he buys more parts, etc with recoup value, he can recoup up to $1009 or the value of the purchase, whichever is LESS. 

Which was written after reading deadskunk’s post about purchase price and parting out parts lots. Sorry for the confusion.

Sometimes it’s just better to fmv a parts lot part vs zeroing out the lot to get it “free”.

docwyte
docwyte SuperDork
7/30/18 10:29 a.m.

In reply to tb :

Happy to have a team mate!  I'm really familiar with the car, I can do all the wrenching on it no problem.  Need some help with strategy, drinking beer and eating pizza.  Sound good?

tb
tb Dork
7/30/18 11:00 a.m.

In reply to docwyte :

Fortuna smiles upon us! Strategic planning and consuming pizza are amongst my strongest skills!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/30/18 11:50 a.m.

You guys might be a match made in heaven!  Lol!!

tb
tb Dork
7/30/18 12:01 p.m.

There is something beautifully ironic about me being the one who knows about the rules and such. 

I haven't even heard yet what car I just agreed to campaign. I just barely figured out how i am going to make it to Gainesville a couple days ago; typical challenge stuff...

 

 

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman Dork
7/30/18 6:14 p.m.

Was really hoping you were closer as I'm good at budgeting, eating pizza, and drinking beer. 

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/30/18 6:23 p.m.

No, you probably shouldn’t just “make up” receipts after the fact.  The FMV rule is going to be your friend.  Get to know it, love it, caress it.  Just don’t sleep with it if you don’t want VD

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/30/18 6:26 p.m.

Doc - I'm in Gainesville, let me know if I can help on this end as the event draws closer (that goes for the rest of you too). 

You'll need to log in to post.

Our Preferred Partners
uBMNRW5ZFAqsAiXLIV9mOTFu7RIvivk0QvRaL5Mk1gBV6FccGG8hobHJPJhOxBWh