If there has been a thread, send me there. If not, whats the "Not Borgeson/flaming River $1500" solution to the steering column power steering motor? Cut one out of a Corolla and give it power and ground?
If there has been a thread, send me there. If not, whats the "Not Borgeson/flaming River $1500" solution to the steering column power steering motor? Cut one out of a Corolla and give it power and ground?
Saturn vue + aftermarket controller
I took a pic of an aftermarket controller that looked suspiciously like a Prius controller with a new case shell. Still need to dig up the Prius controller that I'd bought ($20ish) for the Vue column that I'd bought ($40ish)...
Excellent. I guess the question is, do wrecking yards know how desirable it is, and what a Prius power steering unit is worth?
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
I don't know if the u pull it yards keep track that much but I did see a couple guys rolling a wheelbarrow full of electric columns out of my local LKQ.
The Kia Soul EPS column works exceptionally well in default mode (powered up no controller) from what has been stated on Teh Googolz. Important highlights include good ground and power cables.
QuasiMofo (John Brown) said:The Kia Soul EPS column works exceptionally well in default mode (powered up no controller) from what has been stated on Teh Googolz. Important highlights include good ground and power cables.
If that's true, be sure to change the rubber coupling on the motor while the unit is out. It's a cheap part and a lot easier to deal with if you have the assembly off the car.
I've always been intrigued by the idea of adapting the MR2 Spyder power steering to other systems. Those use an electric motor which drives a hydraulic pump. So rather than having to figure out accesspry belt drives for a regular hydraulic pump, you can just remotely mount the MR2 Spyder pump somewhere and then run lines to your steering gear, and not lose steering feel like a lot of electric assist systems do.
My friend TheDailyDownshift did the Vue EPS column in his FX16GTS track car, his post about it is the second from the last on page 1 of his build thread for it. My understanding is he got a lot of knowledge on the conversion from the Miata community. He seems to like it just fine, I don't think he's ever complained about front end feel, and it does have the benefit of being able to provide power steering for pushing the car around engine off, as long as the battery is healthy
1st Gen new MINIs all had electro/hydraulic power steering, just FYI. No idea about controllers or anything.......since it's BMW related it's probably complicated, tied into the yaw, steering angle and accelerometer sensors somehow.
Or it could be just plug and play.
NickD said:I've always been intrigued by the idea of adapting the MR2 Spyder power steering to other systems. Those use an electric motor which drives a hydraulic pump. So rather than having to figure out accesspry belt drives for a regular hydraulic pump, you can just remotely mount the MR2 Spyder pump somewhere and then run lines to your steering gear, and not lose steering feel like a lot of electric assist systems do.
We just did this swap for our Champ Car using a Volvo pump to the original rack. We had overheating of the powersteering system in past events and wanted to find a way to get rid of the belt driven pump.
I went to a local Coliflower who made a new pressure line from the Volvo pump w/ -6an fitting using a cheap replacement pressure hose from Rock Auto for total out the door of $70. Then I used the OE Hyundai return line with a worm gear clamp on the factory Volvo reservoir fitting.
To power it, I used 6ga power wire directly from the cold side of our battery cut off switch, to an 80amp fuse block and then a 6ga ground wire at the motor mount plate. A single 12v feed to the CAN BUS circuit turns the unit on(using a switch mounted to where the center console was) and it runs around 50-75% speed which is plenty.
It worked for the Champ Car 24 Hour Classic without a single issue on our Hyundai.
I've used the Volvo/Ford remote electric pump but I'm curious on using the electric assist columns. Do people de-power a power steering rack to keep the usual lower turns lock to lock? Or are you running assist on a non-power rack?
How many Amps does the Soul / Vue pump use ?
The Prius electric power steering column and it's small associated controller can be run in "failsafe" mode with simple wiring, no aftermarket controller needed.
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/150-electric-power-steering-junkyard-prius-delivers/
Normal u-pull junkyards don't know the difference and charge the regular price for a steering column, $35 to $50 around here. Think we even got the control box for free last time by bolting it to the steering column and pretending like it was an attached part.
MiniDave said:1st Gen new MINIs all had electro/hydraulic power steering, just FYI. No idea about controllers or anything.......since it's BMW related it's probably complicated, tied into the yaw, steering angle and accelerometer sensors somehow.
Or it could be just plug and play.
They get power, ground, and ignition on. It is literally just a pump with an electric motor on it.
R50/53 cars are some of the least "integrated" cars I have seen from the era. Almost nothing is networked.
The classic easy button was the Prius rack- give it power and ground, and it's a consistent 35lbs of torque. Lots of mustang guys would rig it with a switch to deactivate once the car was above highway speeds.
NickD said:I've always been intrigued by the idea of adapting the MR2 Spyder power steering to other systems. Those use an electric motor which drives a hydraulic pump. So rather than having to figure out accesspry belt drives for a regular hydraulic pump, you can just remotely mount the MR2 Spyder pump somewhere and then run lines to your steering gear, and not lose steering feel like a lot of electric assist systems do.
I think that system is actually a common Opel part in Europe too, like it's all one common supplier; I think the project Binky guys have a similar one.
So, I had misremembered.
Here is the controller I saw at Summit:
Prius controller:
And just for fun, the VUE controller:
The VUE wiring does not plug into the Prius controller without modifying something but the terminals are the same size and distance apart. I note that the aftermarket box looks like it uses the same connectors as the VUE.
GIRTHQUAKE said:I think that system is actually a common Opel part in Europe too, like it's all one common supplier; I think the project Binky guys have a similar one.
Keep in mind that a lot of OEM electro-hydraulic systems are pretty low-powered and low-flowing (notably the popular Volvo pump) and therefore not suited for anything more than keeping effort reasonable in parking lots. I once saw a video with a pro drifter saying that all the lower-budget teams were fighting over the last remaining SW20 pumps because of this.
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