body on frame, mechanical differentials, available gas range extender AND an optional front bench seat? seems pretty cool to me
Glad there's another theoretical range extended electric tow vehicle option in addition to the Ramcharger (I thought that was coming 2025, but they haven't really given any updates?)
I like the underpinnings. I'm not that enthused about the exterior design. Kinda looks like a lazy interpolation of a new Bronco and a Range Rover
I hadn't seen these yet but I'm impressed. It would be very cool to have an EV that's an actual truck for truck stuff. The range extender is a huge deal, that sets them apart from competitors and offers a great answer to the range anxiety + charging infrastructure questions most have about EVs. I also think they're better looking than the Rivians, Lightning, Chevy EV... and the other option I won't even bother typing out. Here's hoping they can manage to scale and produce instead of adding to the list of failed EV startups.
not that the bronco and the scout have ever looked that disimilar
Pretty interesting. Kinda generic looks, but it makes more sense than hanging a company's future on esthetics. I'd bet that if Rivian didn't have that weird headlight arrangement, they'd have sold more vehicles. Have to say that when I saw the truck I was disappointed. What I want is an extra cab. The space behind the seat only needs to accomodate some junk, perhaps a dog or two and room to recline the seatback for a nap. Otherwise, I want a good, old-fashioned truck bed. That said, body-on frame lessens the retooling cost for my preferred rangement by a lot.
It's interesting, and the IH Scout is reasonably well know, but is it iconic enough to start a new company?
I hope the best for them.
Scout is owned by volkswagen, so its not quite a scrappy startup. hopefully that means that they'll also materialize
In reply to gixxeropa :
Thats the lazy part. They said "its always looked like the Bronco, lets go with that" smashed the front end flat, gave it the crappy flat-line DRLs that every electric car seems to have, and then left it at that.
There's not enough Scout in it. If you're gonna bring back something iconic, and lean on that icon status, it needs to reflect that
The website is very cool, I think the range extender will be a game changer for off-road EVs.
What I think is interesting is that it appears to have an electrified live axle in the back. First off, a stick axle is an interesting choice that implies more serious off-road credibility than you'd expect from a mall crawler. Secondly, that's gonna open up a whole bunch of potential swaps into older cars.
The styling is fine. I don't have a big emotional attachment to the old Scout but I do see them around. They don't have a lot of strong styling cues, they're just a box with softly rounded edges. Maybe VW engineered in the rust that they all have :)
Looking at dimensions - it's longer, wider and taller than an R1T. Most of that length shows up in the bed. That also makes it bigger than the Gladiator or Lightning, especially in width. It's a big piece of kit.
I actually quite like it. 500 miles would get me over my range anxiety while offroading.
Styling-wise it borrows design language from Rivian, which is good in my books. Initial production run is 2027; realistically, though, one might want to avoid the first model year or two.
From MT: "We haven’t heard a horsepower number, but Scout says torque will be just shy of 1000 lb-ft, enough to propel the Terra to 60 in 3.5 seconds." That's just absolutely insane. Seriously. That would give my Z06 a run for its money -- and would handily best the Z if I didn't nail the launch.
No, the Bronco has always looked like the Scout. Because the Scout was first.
They need to stop bringing back vehicle names and messing them up.
The Galdiator is nothing like the orginal Gladiator. The new Gladiator is more like the CJ-8 Scrambler
The Bronco only ever had two doors, the Explorer was the 4-door.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:The website is very cool, I think the range extender will be a game changer for off-road EVs.
Turns out off-road driving doesn't use a whole lot of battery power. A friend does Rivian's off-road training and he's done multi-day trips. It's far more likely to be useful on pavement road trips where you're battling aero losses and travelling long distances.
ShawnG said:The Bronco only ever had two doors, the Explorer was the 4-door.
To be fair, the Bronco would have been a sales flop if it was sold as just a 2 door. Just look at the ratio of 2-doors to 4-doors you see on the road when it comes to Broncos and Wranglers.
gixxeropa said:Scout is owned by volkswagen, so its not quite a scrappy startup. hopefully that means that they'll also materialize
So this is just another German company trying to use the name plates they bought over the years.
Maybe if it was built in the US using US built components, I would be more interested.
But it's more likely to be a car line that VW needs to satisfy their diesel law breaking a decade ago.
I think it's a win-win. The world gets more body-on-frame off-roaders, and VW gets to further develop its electric cars by putting more EV powertrains in more vehicles (assuming that said powertrains actually come from VW/contain VW parts).
And here's some quick facts from the press junket:
- A bold, iconic design with multifunctional spaces built for gathering and connection; the Connection Machine™
- Body-on-frame chassis, solid rear axle, and front and rear mechanical lockers deliver robust capability and off-road performance
- Projected towing of over 7,000 pounds for the Scout Traveler and over 10,000 pounds for the Scout Terra, both with nearly 2,000 pounds of payload1
- Anticipated 0-60 miles per hour (mph) in as quick as 3.5 seconds is made possible by an estimated nearly 1,000 lb.-ft. of torque through the four-wheel-drive system1
- Scout vehicle software will be built upon a modern zonal architecture, enabling over-the-air updates, remote diagnostic, and enhanced customer lifetime value
- Fully electric models are anticipated to offer up to 350 miles of range, extended range variants are projected to offer more than 500 miles of range through a built-in, gas-powered generator2
- An exclusive Scout Motors sales and service network will provide direct sales from Scout Motors to customers and embraces the same modern, seamless, customer-first philosophy that defines Scout vehicles
- Traveler entry model starting as low as $50,000 with available incentives, with retail prices starting under $60,000.3 Terra entry model starting as low as $51,500 with available incentives, with retail prices starting under $60,000.3 Initial production targeted for 2027.4
- Consumers can make a reservation to order their Scout Traveler or Scout Terra beginning at 6:30 p.m. EDT on October 24, 2024, at www.scoutmotors.com
And I can't forget the photos:
That looks entirely too nice inside for what I would want out of a scout.
Mr_Asa said:I like the underpinnings. I'm not that enthused about the exterior design. Kinda looks like a lazy interpolation of a new Bronco and a Range Rover
I was thinking Range Rover and Rivian, but either way I agree with you. It doesn't look like a "Scout."
I have rolled my eyes much more at other re-boots
Holy crap. A bench seat.
I hope they succeed.
I didn't know about it until yesterday.
I realize it's Volkswagen, but these EV reveals feel like they're coming hot and fast these days and I find that very interesting. Seems like EV underpinnings are a lot more LEGO like and manufacturers are getting a drive line, slapping something on it, and sending it. Proves to be a strange time for the consumer.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
I was thinking the range extender would make it feasible for me to use it as my main tow vehicle. I could make it from Atlanta to Savannah without having to stop to recharge, theoretically
I think it's really cool. I also love the hilariously convoluted story of how VW ended up with the brand. In sum, the company that originally built the Scout and also tractors, sold it's own name in the 80's to what would become Case IH, then built the Powerstroke for Ford, then got acquired by Traton, the heavy-duty subsidiary of Volkswagen group that also includes MAN and Scania. So that's why VW can't (or won't for marketing purposes) use the International Harvester brand, instead they chose Scout to be the maker name.
Snippets taken from wikipedia:
The International Harvester Company (often abbreviated IH or International) ... was formed from the 1902 merger of McCormick Harvesting Machine Company and Deering Harvester Company and three smaller manufacturers: Milwaukee; Plano; and Warder, Bushnell, and Glessner (manufacturers of Champion brand). Its brands included McCormick, Deering, and later McCormick-Deering, as well as International... In the 1980s all divisions were sold off except for International Trucks, which changed its parent company name to Navistar International
In the early to mid 1980s, International Harvester fell on hard times during the poor agricultural economy
At the beginning of 1985, the Agricultural Division was acquired by Tenneco, the parent company of company rival Case Corporation; the IHC name and its logo were assets of the Agricultural Division, consequently part of the sale. Tenneco created the merged Case IH (as both brands currently remain). Following the sale to Tenneco, all that remained of the company were the International Truck and Engine Divisions
In response to the sale of its own brand and logo, International Harvester reintroduced itself on February 20, 1986, as Navistar International Corporation
Navistar gained significant market share in school bus production, acquiring AmTran entirely in April 1995. In 1994, the IDI diesel was replaced by the all-new T444E diesel V8. Sharing only displacement with its predecessor, the T444E introduced direct injection and standard turbocharging; the engine marked the introduction of the PowerStroke diesel branding for Ford vehicles
In September 2016, Navistar and Volkswagen Truck and Bus (now called Traton), the subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group that controls European heavy truck makers MAN and Scania, announced their intent to pursue a strategic technology collaboration and to establish a procurement joint venture.
On July 1, 2021, Traton successfully completed its takeover of all shares in Navistar, and therefore Navistar became part of the Traton Group. As part of the acquisition, the company was renamed Navistar, Inc from Navistar International Corporation.
Mndsm said:I didn't know about it until yesterday.
I realize it's Volkswagen, but these EV reveals feel like they're coming hot and fast these days and I find that very interesting. Seems like EV underpinnings are a lot more LEGO like and manufacturers are getting a drive line, slapping something on it, and sending it. Proves to be a strange time for the consumer.
Yeah, well they've got the roller skate thing going on, which makes for all sorts of interesting posibilities.
In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
Exactly! I see a lot car renaissance in our future.
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