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FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/30/17 9:19 a.m.

Ford will give you a 5.0L Aluminator for $15k from authorized distributors.  500hp.

 

Chevy will give you a LS9 out of the ZR-1 Vette for $22k direct from GM, 638hp

 

Now Mopar has done gone and offered the Hellcat engine (link to Car and Driver, mopar site is down or maybe not up yet [404 error]) for $19,530, 707hp.

All engines require separate control systems which are around $2k.  

The ICE may be in its twilight years, but she sure is singing one hell of a swan song!

FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/30/17 9:27 a.m.



As a great swap candidate... just saying.

Brian
Brian MegaDork
10/30/17 9:27 a.m.

What Chrysler lacks in volume behind Ford and GM, they make up with sheer insanity. Some things never change. cheeky

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
10/30/17 9:30 a.m.

That's a dead reliable, OEM engineered 707 hp, with a warranty. Would it be blasphemy to put one under the hood of a Cobra roadster?

FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/30/17 9:35 a.m.

In reply to nderwater :

More power an more compact package than a Viper V10...would that be blasphemy?  Given Mr SueEverybody, I mean Mr. Shelby did a round a Chrysler, I think it would be in the spirit of a Cobra roadster.  After all, that is all he made the Viper to be, a modern Cobra.

EDIT:  I just noticed Hennessey does a very simple performance upgrade on these cars.  "HPE800 Hellcat Challenger
The base package from Hennessey for the 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is the HPE800 package, which offers 805 horsepower and 6,200rpm. This increased power output is achieved by adding a new engine control unit, a high flow air filter, a bottom pulley upgrade and a port matched throttle body. This setup allows for better air flow and 1-2 more pounds of boost while the ECU upgrade allows Hennessey to optimize the engine output to 805 horsepower with very minimal modifications."

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
10/30/17 9:40 a.m.

Am I the only one who wants to put one behind the driver in a Dodge Minivan? I mean if we're going to be insane, we might as well go all out.

FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/30/17 9:41 a.m.

In reply to Kreb :

No, no you are not.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
10/30/17 10:12 a.m.
nderwater said:

That's a dead reliable, OEM engineered 707 hp, with a warranty. Would it be blasphemy to put one under the hood of a Cobra roadster?

Can't be any worse than my new plan for my old volare.

fidelity101
fidelity101 UltraDork
10/30/17 10:14 a.m.

I think the answer for these are boats. followed by drinking/partying

The0retical
The0retical SuperDork
10/30/17 10:16 a.m.

How big are these compared to say a 5.0L Coyote? I know they're a fair bit bigger than something based on the LS architecture, but if it's smaller than the Coyote I could see building an FFR Coupe or Roadster around one.

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Dork
10/30/17 10:55 a.m.
Kreb said:

Am I the only one who wants to put one behind the driver in a Dodge Minivan? I mean if we're going to be insane, we might as well go all out.

Make it mid-engined.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
10/30/17 11:03 a.m.
The0retical said:

How big are these compared to say a 5.0L Coyote? I know they're a fair bit bigger than something based on the LS architecture, but if it's smaller than the Coyote I could see building an FFR Coupe or Roadster around one.

It's not as big as a Coyote, search shows 29" wide for Coyote and 24" wide for Hemi (car, truck lists 26" wide). Should fit about the same as an LS, except height is a bit more of course.

Grizz
Grizz UberDork
10/30/17 11:15 a.m.

By my current vehicle assessment, I need three of them.


I doubt my mom will complain too awful much about losing some space in her minivan.

FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/30/17 11:40 a.m.

In typical Chrysler fashion, they aren't as on the stick with support either.

I just called for installation drawings for the crate engines, ANY of them.  They couldn't find them.  They are not on their website either.  The rep said he would look and email me them if he could find anything.  

It's bad when you don't have how big and heavy an engine is when you are the guys building and selling the car.  

For the record, Ford and GM both give this information upon request.

FlightService
FlightService MegaDork
10/30/17 11:55 a.m.

 

 

 

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
10/30/17 11:56 a.m.
Grizz said:

By my current vehicle assessment, I need three of them.


I doubt my mom will complain too awful much about losing some space in her minivan.

I hadn't thought of placing three of them nose-tail before, but I guess with an IRS in the back of a minivan, you could probably manage it in front of the rear axle. Maybe a V drive would enable you to place the rearward engine directly above the rear end.

 

OH! Did you mean in three seperate vehicles? How boring.

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
10/30/17 12:01 p.m.

In reply to FlightService :

I never thought I'd live to see the day where a mass-production OEM engine could hit 800 hp with just an ECU flash and simple intake mods. This truly is a golden age of horsepower.

STM317
STM317 Dork
10/30/17 1:46 p.m.
nderwater said:

In reply to FlightService :

I never thought I'd live to see the day where a mass-production OEM engine could hit 800 hp with just an ECU flash and simple intake mods. This truly is a golden age of horsepower.

The pulley swap sounds like the biggest part of that hp increase to me. But point taken, it's pretty neat.

stanger_missle
stanger_missle GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/30/17 2:06 p.m.

Hmmm... The current engine swaps (HEMI, Cummins, etc.) for the JK Wrangler are around $20k.

When (not if) the Pentastar poofs, this would be a fun swap.

Nothing like arriving at the Pearly Gates sideways with your hair on fire laugh

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
10/30/17 2:25 p.m.

Okay... so I now have a new power plant for my dream '69 Charger resto-mod build...

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
10/30/17 2:41 p.m.

Just saying....

 

 

If the Coyote fits, I bet the Hellcrate will also fit.

 

 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth MegaDork
10/30/17 2:49 p.m.

It's a good time to have bare frame rails. It would be a better time if I had bare frame rails with money stacked on top of them. 

ChadeuxCougarMelonChapman
ChadeuxCougarMelonChapman SuperDork
10/30/17 2:54 p.m.

I have my hypothetical home for it picked out.

I think I'm a bit boring.

Grizz
Grizz UberDork
10/30/17 3:03 p.m.

In reply to tuna55 :

Obviously, if I put them all in my moms van she gets to have all the fun.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/17 3:18 p.m.
FlightService said:

In typical Chrysler fashion, they aren't as on the stick with support either.

I just called for installation drawings for the crate engines, ANY of them.  They couldn't find them.  They are not on their website either.  The rep said he would look and email me them if he could find anything.  

It's bad when you don't have how big and heavy an engine is when you are the guys building and selling the car.  

For the record, Ford and GM both give this information upon request.

Ford wasn't so clever right after they introduced the Ecoboost crates either. This is a SEMA show press release, and the timeframe was dictated by the show date. They might not have all their ducks in a row quite yet.

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