Anti-stance wrote: Man, you guys are starting to sway me back to my dislike of the dorifto car culture and regret of signing.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend...And in this case I would say that this piece of anti-motorsports legislation appears to be the more threatening concern.
Signed. Drifting's not my thing, but I support their right to continue holding events that have been going on safely for years. There are already laws on the books to deal with off-site shenanigans, and they should throw the book at them for that whether they're drifters, autocrossers, or spectators. There's also an excellent chance that if the events are shut down, there will be even more shenanigans on the street without a safe, legal outlet for them.
Driven5 wrote:93EXCivic wrote:The only way to ensure that such antics do not continue to be a recurring problem, without wasting an officers entire day sitting there and babysitting a bunch of overgrown chidlren at each and every event, is to either have responsibility lie with the sanctioning group to sufficiently police themselves...Or get rid of it all together. If the organizers lack the maturity or testicular fortitude to do the former, then the community will inevitably push for the latter. Irresponsibility off the track does just as much, if not more, to harm the public acceptance of motorsports than any of the actual racing.DILYSI Dave wrote: Yes - the drifters have generally been a loud, obnoxious nuisance to the neighborhood. In addition to the engines and tires, there's loud music, jackassery on the street etc. While it's a pretty stark contrast from autocrosses, I do fear that autocross will be swept under the same rug. But I'm not signing. The sooner drifting is gone from Turner, the sooner autocross will be less under the microscope.Then bust them for the on-road jackassery and the loud music rather then the on coarse things...
Why not ban events by whatever club is failing to adequately discourage asshattery? I don't really dig on drifting, but it's stupid to ban a generalized concept when the problem is actually a specific group of people.
spitfirebill wrote: BTW, when did the Nazi's take over ATL?
Right after they attacked Pearl Harbor. 
MG Bryan wrote: Why not ban events by whatever club is failing to adequately discourage asshattery? I don't really dig on drifting, but it's stupid to ban a generalized concept when the problem is actually a specific group of people.
It may seem stupid from our point of view...But for them it also might appear to be the most efficient and effective means available to them to resolve their concerns, especially if their complaints seemed to have been falling on deaf ears up to this point.
Am I correct in assuming that every group that uses Turner's lot pays some sort of use/rental fee? If the problem really does lie with one group, couldn't they just refuse to rent them the venue? Does there really need to be a LAW?
I've signed. Bills like this are a slippery slope. That, and the apparently shady way in which it was passed.
As for the bad apples - win or lose, hopefully this will be a powerful reminder to the group to police themselves.
ultraclyde wrote: Am I correct in assuming that every group that uses Turner's lot pays some sort of use/rental fee? If the problem really does lie with one group, couldn't they just refuse to rent them the venue? Does there really need to be a LAW?
Turner isn't who passed the bill, though.
Its a shame for the decent people that enjoy drifting that their sport tends to attract jackasses.
Signed
Signed
dankspeed wrote: Its a shame for the decent people that enjoy drifting that their sport tends to attract jackasses.
It appears that if those folks want to see drifting survive, they need to do a better job of policing their competitors / spectators. It may be "uncool" to shut down an idiot who is playing music obnoxiously loud, or doing donuts on a public street, but it sure is necessary.
Be courteous to your neighbors, or suffer the consequences. I'm having difficulty in getting upset with this law, as it is probably warranted. If I lived nearby and had to deal with booming music, drunk kids, and idiots "drifting" down my street, I'd want them gone too.
and for the record, I like drifting and would like to see it grow.
Signed.
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
oh right, for some reason I was thinking of Turner field as a city run facility, but it's not. It's WAY too nice for that!
There's this new sport called "Cliffting." Takin' it to the next level, brah. You guys should try it.
Driven5 wrote:Anti-stance wrote: Man, you guys are starting to sway me back to my dislike of the dorifto car culture and regret of signing.The enemy of my enemy is my friend...And in this case I would say that this piece of anti-motorsports legislation appears to be the more threatening concern.
That's why I signed. The average schmuck makes no distinction between drifting (which to me is still not a motorsport and something I do not participate in) and autocross. The thing is written sufficiently broadly that AX could easily be banned.
The legislation needs to be yanked and the events/participants judged on their own merits.
I was actually was one of the first PM'ed on Facebook and signed it early. Even though I don't agree with their type of style or lifestyle, I agree that this is a stupid move on the State's part to shut it down. Where would this lead next? The kids would move it to the streets Is that more safe? This will only open doors to shutting down the autox crowd at Turner Field.
Give the kids a safe venue to try their skills.
Well, you guys are all really active members of the ARSCCA and me and Dave aren't. And TrooFooShnick has been a member on the board for a long time here, so I guess it makes sense to listen to him. Thanks guys.
Please sign my petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide while you're at it. It kills thousands every year.
tell us how you really feel, poopy
Yeah, I might be able to find a bus big enough to throw me under. 
WilberM3 wrote: i make it a point to fuel up in town, get lunch, and stop at local watering holes on the way out to make sure at least some people/businesses are benefitting from our existence. i get the feeling the average amateur drift crowd doesnt feel quite the same responsibility for their actions, though i hope i'm wrong?
There are numerous businesses who benefit from these events. Garage Zero, a local shop comes out and does tire mounting and on-site repairs. A mom-and-pop setup comes out and sells food for spectators and participants. The hotels nearby sell rooms to people who travel in from out of state. And then when the events are over most of us go to local restaurants to wind down. So yes, the supporting of local businesses is very much alive.
Driven5 wrote: The only way to ensure that such antics do not continue to be a recurring problem, without wasting an officers entire day sitting there and babysitting a bunch of overgrown chidlren at each and every event, is to either have responsibility lie with the sanctioning group to sufficiently police themselves...Or get rid of it all together. If the organizers lack the maturity or testicular fortitude to do the former, then the community will inevitably push for the latter. Irresponsibility off the track does just as much, if not more, to harm the public acceptance of motorsports than any of the actual racing.
The officers that are on-site are paid off duty cops and Turner Field security and are required by the event permits/insurance along with the EMTs. In fact, all the officers that have attended have a great time. One even "chased down" one of the cars on the course for fun with his lights and siren on. Like others have said, every group has its bad apples. I've seen my fair share of idiotic behavior at all manner of events be they drifting, autocross or even track days. I'm not saying we're perfect, but we're also not the dangerous outlaw hooligan scofflaws that people make us out to be, either. Any dangerous activity gets shut down immediately, be it on track or in the pits. People have been ejected from these events just like over-exuberant cone crunchers. And as far as "policing" people once they leave the event, pretty much any events coordinator can tell you that's a massive legal minefield that's best left untouched. Even dealing with participants within the perimeter of the events can require official security (ie cops) to be present depending on the situation and insurance requirements.
I'm not entirely sure where the loud music bit comes from that keeps being brought up. There's only a PA system that's used to announce run groups and for the driver's meeting and closing announcements. There has been a hip-hop/rap festival that's taken up the Gold Lot on several occasions, but that has nothing to do with the drift events.
FooSchnickens wrote: And as far as "policing" people once they leave the event, pretty much any events coordinator can tell you that's a massive legal minefield that's best left untouched. Even dealing with participants within the perimeter of the events can require official security (ie cops) to be present depending on the situation and insurance requirements.
I know of one area club that saw a lambo owner driving like an idiot on the public road outside the event site after an autocross. The owner was contacted and made aware that this could not happen anymore because of the problems it could cause for the club. They have not been back.
The same club told the owner of a gutted/prepped jag that he was welcome to come back to their events AFTER he installed a quieter exhaust. He hasn't been back, either.
Loud noise and hooning can be controlled.
The fact of the matter is, drifting is SIGNIFICANTLY NOISIER THAN AUTO-X. There is no way of arguing that.
As such, I can't sign this petition either. Monsieur Poop has accurately described why people should NOT sign the petition. The drifters brought this bill onto other forms of motorsports, it is their fault, pretty straightforward. No love here. I really do want to sign it, but it simply is not pointed at the other motorsports that operate there, and as such, I have no problem with it.
The whole thing reeks of "GET OFF MY LAWN."
Sir FooSchnickens has been around for a while, as well. Not here, necessarily, but is an "old timer" on the Miata boards that i know many of you are on. Lay off the "he's a noob screw him" bullE36 M3.
And I am pretty sure he is an employee at Rspeed. Some of you Miata owners might have heard of them....
oh yea, signed.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: The whole thing reeks of "GET OFF MY LAWN."
Yeah, both the bill itself and the response from some on here. They've been using the lot for a few years now and not seeing evidence of the police being cause for noise disturbance on a regular basis makes it seem like going from no reaction to overreacting. If the residents of the area called in noise complaints then complained to Turner Field, then I could see them taking it to the next level.
And to those who say the sooner the drifting is gone the sooner the heat will die down on auto-x. Who is to say after the bill has passed that the next auto-x, regardless of how much noise it actually makes, is called in by someone in the neighborhood as a noise complaint. The wording seems pretty exact to those "in the know" but to those that know nothing about motorsports is pretty vague. The average person I'd guess wouldn't know the difference without being told.
Oh and also I noticed this was in the noise ordinance and thought it was weird, part of it was cut off though:
Operating or permitting the operation of any motor vehicle or any auxiliary equipment attached to such a vehicle, for a period of longer than five minutes in any hour while the vehicle is stationary, for reasons other than traffic congestion or emergency work
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