Almost regardless of the series, I simply enjoy seeing how the competitors make hp, and then make it live. BTW:F1 engines are now limited to the number allowed per season or there's a big grid penalty; and often Pro Stock engines are not torn down as nitro engines are.between rounds. And aren't 17" tires being used this year in F1, or is that for 2012--I know Pirelli was pushing for 17" tires.
manufacturers, put your wares on the track, and see what happens. Maybe spec stuff like tires, dampers, brake rotors and pads. Furthermore, you can run turbo and apply to spec sheet 1, or NA and spec sheet 2 etc. But I think it would be epic if you could see real world cars on a 1/2 mi oval. I know I know, it will be on tv right after the Unicorn and Sasquatch dance-a-thon...
I just saw where NASCAR will be announcing the winners ahead of time so people can just drink all day without the interruption of paying attention to the race.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I just saw where NASCAR will be announcing the winners ahead of time so people can just drink all day without the interruption of paying attention to the race.
Throwing napalm on a fire is... hmm,.well, depends on what you want the fire to do
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I just saw where NASCAR will be announcing the winners ahead of time so people can just drink all day without the interruption of paying attention to the race.
LMFAO nice man! It's even bad when the announcers and people IN nascar say that they need factory looking bodies at least. All they need is the real engines....oh wait, that's V8 Supercars....but that'll never happen
Honestly I could care less about NASCAR, nothing contributes to the manufactures, but all I got to say is, only took them 25 years
NickF40 wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I just saw where NASCAR will be announcing the winners ahead of time so people can just drink all day without the interruption of paying attention to the race.LMFAO nice man! It's even bad when the announcers and people IN nascar say that they need factory looking bodies at least. All they need is the real engines....oh wait, that's V8 Supercars....but that'll never happen Honestly I could care less about NASCAR, nothing contributes to the manufactures, but all I got to say is, only took them 25 years
Regardless of the actual racing, the series contributes immensely to the local economy; it also keeps many medium and small businesses going. And right about now, that's enough to make me glad it's started for 2011. Now when gas gets to $4+ gallon this summer....
I love how everyone acts like Aussie Supercars is so much better then NASCAR really the only difference is that Aussie Supercars turn both ways.
Turn both ways, go up and down hills, race on street circuits, race in the rain. Yup, just like NASCAR. OH, and they do that strange changing of gears while going around the track. Your right, the NASCAR boys do that coming out of the pits, too.
Well, there's also the fact that Aussie V8's look and sound eleventy billion times better, too.
Doesn't change the fact they are basically spec cars just like NASCAR.
I love how everyone constantly complains about the "Spec" aspect of NASCAR but busts a nut over Spec Miata.
red5_02 wrote: I love how everyone constantly complains about the "Spec" aspect of NASCAR but busts a nut over Spec Miata.
You don't see a "Toyota" Miata racing a "Ford" Miata, a "Chevy" Miata, and a "Dodge" Miata. At least Spec Miata calls a spade a spade.
93EXCivic wrote: Doesn't change the fact they are basically spec cars just like NASCAR.
And what's wrong with a spec series? Emphasises driver talent and team preperation. OH, we should ignore that, too. OK, so let's go back to the glory days of CAN-AM and watch one builder outspend everyone else and kill racing. NOW I understand.
Anarchy racing. I think that's called demolition derby.
triumph5 wrote:93EXCivic wrote: Doesn't change the fact they are basically spec cars just like NASCAR.And what's wrong with a spec series? Emphasises driver talent and team preperation. OH, we should ignore that, too. OK, so let's go back to the glory days of CAN-AM and watch one builder outspend everyone else and kill racing. NOW I understand. Anarchy racing. I think that's called demolition derby.
I wasn't complaining about spec series. I was saying everyone goes on and on about NASCAR and how they should use real cars etc. And then turn around and say V8 Supercars is so much better then NASCAR for so and so reason. But really they are not that different from NASCAR, they are very much a spec series which uses a lot of "old school" technology. I was not complaining about either series. No I generally don't watch NASCAR but that has nothing to do with the cars and more to do with the fans.
93EXCivic wrote:triumph5 wrote:I wasn't complaining about spec series. I was saying everyone goes on and on about NASCAR and how they should use real cars etc. And then turn around and say V8 Supercars is so much better then NASCAR for so and so reason. But really they are not that different from NASCAR, they are very much a spec series which uses a lot of "old school" technology. I was not complaining about either series. No I generally don't watch NASCAR but that has nothing to do with the cars and more to do with the fans.93EXCivic wrote: Doesn't change the fact they are basically spec cars just like NASCAR.And what's wrong with a spec series? Emphasises driver talent and team preperation. OH, we should ignore that, too. OK, so let's go back to the glory days of CAN-AM and watch one builder outspend everyone else and kill racing. NOW I understand. Anarchy racing. I think that's called demolition derby.
So much NACAR sucks since spec reasons, bumping, and roundy round, but Super Cars are the best ever for the same spec reasons, even better bumping, but not roundy round.
EFI changes nothing, except precption, which is really important to NASCAR.
I almost think that people get offended with NASCAR purely becuase it's so popular vs. racing that they hold near and dear to their hearts.
F1 may be the most watched racing, but not live- NASCAR has them in spades on average track attendance.
Racing is racing- It's all good, and people who love F1 are no more snobs than NASCAR fans are rednecks. We love racing, and aspects of all racing. It's all good.
Update: Ford has applied to NASCAR to replace the Fusion body with a Mustang one. Judging by the Mustang they run in Nationwide, that doesn't mean much, but the fan perceptions should be good from the move.
alfadriver wrote: Racing is racing- It's all good, and people who love F1 are no more snobs than NASCAR fans are rednecks. We love racing, and aspects of all racing. It's all good.
^^^ This...........
I'm a motorsports fan who heavily favors road racing. But, on the same days I get up early to watch an F1/MotoGP (et al) race there's a darn good chance I'll find myself watching at least part of a Nascar event later that afternoon.
Would it be great if American fans/audiences had more appreciation for things not-Nascar? Yes, but they don't and I live with that.
what do they run for engines in the Aussie Supercars? not any more "stock" than what gets run in NASCAR..
Nascar's actually make pretty decent road racers. I know a couple of people who have bought them and run vintage events. They're really quick, cheap to buy, and very cheap to run.
Also, people that think these things are so low tech need to spend a little time around them. While their hardware sounds low tech, in practice they are anything but. I would bet wind tunnel time is approaching those in F1. There are plenty of small details that make a difference that are free for teams to play with.
It's not one of my favorites, but it is not as crude as people make it out to be, very hard to be successful, and takes a lot of talent to do well.
NASCAR has reams of talent in it. Drivers, crew, engineers. The talent runs deep like the Mississippi. Hats off to all participants.
NASCAR is "greying out" like Harley. Both of those entities are finding that they're fan base is getting older and older.
My thoughts?
NASCAR and Harley suffer from the same problem. They are perceived as being "not realistic".
HD's brand relies on this biker image. While we all know bikers are real we know that most HD riders are not bikers. Reality disconnect.
NASCAR relies on it's image of being a down home racing product. Low tech cars. Guys with accents who thank God for a win. But that's not exactly true anymore. Everyone knows that NASCAR is a heavily controlled, alluding to being manipulated, form of racing. This means that what is fast on a NASCAR track does not translate directly to what is fast on the street. Reality disconnect.
I think NASCAR and HD need to work to being more honest. People are much more media savvy now. They know a snow job when they see it.
HD =/= outlaw bikers NASCAR =/= good ol'boys racing stock cars
Another example that fits this? Pro-wrestling vs. MMA. MMA is growing like gang busters because it's has an air of reality. Pro-wrestling is a known vaudeville show. Lower and lower ratings.
The winning NASCAR formula is racing stock cars. If a Ford Taurus blows away the Chevy and Dodge on Sunday you can bet that if Joe 6-pack can buy that "same" car, by same I mean drive orientation and cylinder count, he will.
NASCAR has lost it's way in pursuit of more and more profits. I'm not begrudging them their success. But NASCAR sold out. The younger fans know and recognize this.
It's interesting to note that HD has finally read their own sales statistics, as seen in recent ads: almost half of their customers are now women in ther 30s - 50s.
And now idiot "milk-an-doughnuts" is running ARCA. Hope she LEAVES Indy car. And of corse, there's Danica.... Change has to happen. Most people change hobbies/interests every 6 years or so. And lots of 'good old boys don't like the changes, so it's the current marketing guys pointing and yelling "Here's your up coming audience" and entrenched mgmt hopeing carbs come back...
alfadriver wrote: F1 may be the most watched racing, but not live- NASCAR has them in spades on average track attendance.
This is true..............but hardly an apples/apples comparison.
There are a number of NASCAR races that I could easily drive to in one days time.
In the 2010 season of F1, you had to go to Brazil/Europe/Asia/OZ.
I could do a NASCAR cheaply, flying to England to go to Silverstone? Thousands and thousands of dollars.
z31maniac wrote:alfadriver wrote: F1 may be the most watched racing, but not live- NASCAR has them in spades on average track attendance.This is true..............but hardly an apples/apples comparison.
With this, I agree.
F1 has long-recognized its' world-wide appeal and uses it to generate huge profits. Well, at least BE has capitalized on it. The FIA rides the gravy train.
Nascar has also used television to its' financial gains, but the broadcasts are mostly limited to the US, Mexico and Canada. Outside of North America, Nascar doesn't have near the exposure or appeal of F1.
z31maniac wrote:alfadriver wrote: F1 may be the most watched racing, but not live- NASCAR has them in spades on average track attendance.This is true..............but hardly an apples/apples comparison. There are a number of NASCAR races that I could easily drive to in one days time. In the 2010 season of F1, you had to go to Brazil/Europe/Asia/OZ. I could do a NASCAR cheaply, flying to England to go to Silverstone? Thousands and thousands of dollars.
That's really not what I meant. Although, the European swing of F1 is not all that far apart from each other- outside of the fact that you have to cross water to see Silverstone.
What I meant was crowd size- the largest normal F1 crowd is at Silverstone, and it's just barely around 100k. I've been to that track for a different race, and have been to Spa and Monza for F1 races, and know for sure that the Indy race way, way out did those tracks.
Go to even the small Cup tracks, and the crowds have been enormous.
That's why I say NASCAE has F1 in spades for live crowds. They can make a bunch of money there, were most of F1's money is TV.
Yeah, the little troll's desire to get the most money out of everyone ruins it. Ticket prices are insane, which is why the attendance is so down compared to NASCAR.
We thought going to Austin next year was a foregone conclusion.............and now I've got a glimpse of supposed ticket prices for the event, and now it looks like we might not go.
I'm not paying $200 a head to only be allowed in ONE portion of the infield for the weekend. And that's the cheapest ones, if you want to sit in grandstands, you are looking at more like $400+ a head.
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