SnowMongoose wrote: In reply to SVreX: The state does what they want because they can. WA charges sales tax every time a car changes hands. They call it an unrelated fee, one that coincidentally mirrors the rate of sales tax.
So does Michigan, but the sales tax is based on the value of the car..............WHEN IT WAS NEW!!!
In reply to SVreX:
This is basically why I couldn't register the Vette in MS. They enacted a law this year that if you register a car from out of state you're required to have the previous owner's last registration. If the car was last registered in MS they know if there was a lapse in registration, and you end up paying for it(at least in part). For a car from out of state, without the registration MS has no way to know when it was last registered, and thus no way to make you pay for it.
I honestly don't see the law lasting, at least as it is now, as stated above there's no way to deal with "barn finds" and such.
Fortunately I was still able to register it in IL, where our DMVs are more than happy to accept any/all $$ they can get, and for whatever reason...
This isn't even the most bogus road use registration/tax in Georgia. There are two more.
1) Lease a vehicle in GA. Pay full purchase sales tax using a state assigned value (TAVT).
2) Buy a used vehicle in GA. Pay the TAVT. Even though the original owner did the same thing previously. Now it's being taxed for a 2nd (3rd, 4th, etc) time.
1+2 = 3). Decide to buy the car you've been leasing? You get to pay that TAVT again even though the lease had a precalculated payoff value stated in the original deal.
Craigslist maybe full of rust free cars, but the taxation is pretty berkeleyed up.
Hold off on registration until after you move then start clean in SC? Slap another trailer plate on it until then.
Pete Gossett wrote: In reply to SVreX: This is basically why I couldn't register the Vette in MS. They enacted a law this year that if you register a car from out of state you're required to have the previous owner's last registration. If the car was last registered in MS they know if there was a lapse in registration, and *you* end up paying for it(at least in part). For a car from out of state, without the registration MS has no way to know when it was last registered, and thus no way to make *you* pay for it.
I don't understand. Why would MS have the right to try to collect another state's taxes? Assuming that the state in question taxed vehicles that way to begin with.
Damn.Lots of comments in this thread that seem to imply we should all learn to enjoy the boot on our throats.
We need to bring back "lawn jobs" from the late 1970's. This guy deserves a lawn job.
Everyone remember these?
So repaint it, put on a new data tag/serial number, register it as a homebuilt trailer.
68TR250 wrote: GA has done away with Ad Valorem. If you have a vehicle that you have had for awhile and opted to keep it and continue to pay the Ad Valorem, you will continue to pat yearly. If you buy a vehicle you will be charge the TAVT. That went into effect with HB 386 March 1, 2013. You will be charged a percentage of the purchase price. Want to go the good ole boy route and have the seller say he sold it to you for $1 or whatever? No good, the state will charge you according to what they think the vehicle is worth. Don't like it, you will be told to appeal it to the county Board of Assessors. We have still not figured out where they get the figures they charge. Your county assessors board probably has appeals to the TAVT every meeting.
NC does this too.
I lucked out once, they claimed my Esprit was worth $1,200 
Op, I would be pissed too. Unreal they can get away with that. I would get the previous owner to pay one way or another.
Connecticut tried to do something like this with new car dealers. As a new car dealer, you had to lease a computer system to handle registrations, and then were charged an additional fee, that you couldn't pass on to the customer by law, for the "privilege" of doing the DMV's job. The last step of the delivery was to process the registration. At that point the system would tell you if the buyer was current on his vehicle property taxes. If they weren't the car couldn't be registered. Made for some interesting conversations as in "What do you mean I can't get my new car?" The options were to pay the back taxes, or have your new, unregistered vehicle towed at your expense to your home. The system had no provision for checking unpaid taxes until you processed a registration. Combine this with the state's abysmal record keeping, and you had solid citizens being told incorrectly they owed back taxes, scofflaws driving off because they knew how to beat the system, and registrations being returned after processing because the state discovered they missed something. They had to shut this great idea down after a few weeks because it was so screwed up.
SVreX wrote: Once upon a time, our forefathers turned Boston Harbour into an oversized cup of herb tea...
Pretty sure it was black tea, but the GA DMV shouldn't hold this little slip up against you.
RealMiniParker wrote:GTXVette wrote: I live in Ga. and sadly know going in I have to Catch up the Tag Tax to buy one for myself, only way to avoid it is to buy New, but wait There's A Tax for That Too! And of course Nothin I stop to look at is New.Would buying out of state avoid back taxes?
you may avoid Back Tax's but you will pay what we Call An Impact Fee.aka Car's Value(To Them)
In reply to SVreX: Good thing it wasn't a $30,000 or more vehicle.
some folks moved here from up north they both hade New Cars/truck, Impact fee's to get Ga. Tags was so High they said Hell No And Moved Back
Funny how you say All The Trailers in Ga. have expiered plates.....I put My Home built Tag On My New Trailer
Because I owed less Tax Than the Old Tag on it, when I got it.
GTXVette wrote: In reply to SVreX: Good thing it wasn't a $30,000 or more vehicle. some folks moved here from up north they both hade New Cars/truck, Impact fee's to get Ga. Tags was so High they said Hell No And Moved Back
I worked with one of those people. He had a beat up old Caravan when he moved down there, and was told it'd be $1800 to register it.
The kicker is, he was moving down there for a maganement job for some restaurant chain, and they didn't pin down which one he'd be at before he had to be there. When they finally figured out where he was going to be assigned, they told him that he had to break his lease and move or find a new job since he had to be within 50 miles of the restaurant and he was a little outside of fifty miles away. Would have been nice if they told him where he had to live before he had to be there.
At the time, annual registration in our county was $42/year. If you didn't register the car, you weren't allowed to drive it on the road, but that was it. It isn't treated as a property tax, but a road use tax.
OHSCrifle wrote: This isn't even the most bogus road use registration/tax in Georgia. There are two more. 1) Lease a vehicle in GA. Pay full purchase sales tax using a state assigned value (TAVT). 2) Buy a used vehicle in GA. Pay the TAVT. Even though the original owner did the same thing previously. Now it's being taxed for a 2nd (3rd, 4th, etc) time. 1+2 = 3). Decide to buy the car you've been leasing? You get to pay that TAVT again even though the lease had a precalculated payoff value stated in the original deal. Craigslist maybe full of rust free cars, but the taxation is pretty berkeleyed up.
Can you tell me a state where when you Lease a vehicle you don't have to pay TTL?
Waitaminute. There are states that require that you keep a vehicle registered the entire time you own it? And, if it wasn't registered the entire time, you have to pay for all the years it wasn't registered when you want to register it again?
That's berkeleying nuts.
I thought it was a little unethical for PA to apply sales tax to the sale of a car that was already taxed once, but, man, some sates really don't believe in lube, do they? I don't know why anyone lives in those states.
Wash that E36M3 in Michigan and get Michigan lifetime use tags...
z31maniac wrote:OHSCrifle wrote: This isn't even the most bogus road use registration/tax in Georgia. There are two more. 1) Lease a vehicle in GA. Pay full purchase sales tax using a state assigned value (TAVT). 2) Buy a used vehicle in GA. Pay the TAVT. Even though the original owner did the same thing previously. Now it's being taxed for a 2nd (3rd, 4th, etc) time. 1+2 = 3). Decide to buy the car you've been leasing? You get to pay that TAVT again even though the lease had a precalculated payoff value stated in the original deal. Craigslist maybe full of rust free cars, but the taxation is pretty berkeleyed up.Can you tell me a state where when you Lease a vehicle you don't have to pay TTL?
Nope. But when you finance, in Georgia, a clearly defined portion of the car value but pay sales tax on the full value, it's certifiably bullE36 M3.
snailmont5oh wrote: Waitaminute. There are states that require that you keep a vehicle registered *the entire time you own it*? And, if it wasn't registered the entire time, *you have to pay for all the years it wasn't registered when you want to register it again*? That's berkeleying nuts. I thought it was a little unethical for PA to apply sales tax to the sale of a car that was already taxed once, but, man, some sates really don't believe in lube, do they? I don't know why anyone lives in those states.
They most definitely try.
My brother bought a car in CA that turned out to have the wrong plate on it (with current sticker) but hadn't actually been registered for a decade. Nor filed as "not on road".
CA wanted a ransom payment for all those years to title and register it.. for an amount that was MORE than he paid for the car.
He tried getting it titled out of state with my dad's address, but OH said they need a current title and registration to re-title.
So he looked up the state law and found a way to get a temporary transport registration. The DMV staff acted like that didn't exist until he produced a printout of the actual law and insisted on speaking with the manager. They suddenly remembered the law and he got a temporary registration.
So he drove the car to Ohio and was lucky it didn't break down. With a current (temp) registration, OH gave my dad a historic plate and new title.
Threads like this make me love Pennsylvania... not that we don't have some of our own odd laws, but registration is fairly straight forward.
Ian F wrote: Threads like this make me love Pennsylvania... not that we don't have some of our own odd laws, but registration is fairly straight forward.
I never realized how easy Ohio and Michigan were until I moved to PA. We brought 3 cars with us and when we went to get tags and transfer the title we found out we needed a VIN inspection. Thats wierd, we already own the cars, but whatever. Then we found out they dont do VIN inspections at Toothless Joes Title Office in the scary strip mall. We have to find a state certified mechanic. Ok. Where can we find one of those on a Saturday afternoon? Eventually we find somebody and he signs a paper saying the VINs are correct. We get tags and then realize they gave us plates for a half ton instead of a 1 ton for the truck. Since PA has truck plates based off weight the tag Toothless Joe gave us makes the truck over weight when its empty. (I have been warned the local DOT officer LOVES to look for trucks that are registered too low) It takes 6 months and a new title to fix that little mistake. When it came time to transfer my trailer I found out that a state certified mechanic is not qualified to inspect the VIN on a trailer. You have to go to a state certified trailer mechanic. We couldn't find one of those that was open on the weekend but we did find a sympathetic Notary who explained they can also do VIN inspections on anything. I assume thats true because everyone I talk to seems to explain how things work differently.
In Michigan, if you want to buy a car on Sunday night its no problem. You give the other person the money, they give you the title, and you leave. We have bought one vehicle here and it involved making the deal on Sunday night and scheduling a play date a few days later to the AAA office for paperwork that took 30 minutes. Ohio required a notary but only the seller had to be there and luckily most of the check cashing places in Columbus had a notary on staff.
Also, the state inspection racket is a joke.
Luckily back taxes are not an issue! (Yet.....)
Not that I am bitter...
In reply to logdog:
I've lived here since 1980 so I've not had to transfer a car I've owned from out of state. That said, I have bought numerous cars from out of state and I have never had a tag store ask for VIN verification. Even for Antique registration (PA used to require photos for Classic/Antique, but even that has been dropped).
Nor any of my friends who have moved here with cars.
So I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
I've been going to the same inspection shop for over 25 years. They know I work on my cars and will let some things slide that would otherwise fail (bulbs, for example). It pays to develop a relationship with a shop.
In reply to Ian F:
I dunno. It has been my experience that I get multiple versions of how its done depending on who is telling me. Northeast title, AAA, the local used car lot that does tags, all have different versions.
In regards to VIN identification its right on the PA website.
It does say you can bring a tracing of the VIN. Not sure if thats new or not. I was told to have form MV-41 filled out before they could help me.
Last year I noticed that the VIN on the title didn't match the VIN on the plate on one of my projects. I called the RMV to ask what needed to be done to get an amended title for the car. I was told that I would need an inspection or could bring a photo or rubbing of the plate into the RMV when I came in. I offered to bring the actual VIN plate in with me if that would help any or possibly speed up the process.
I could smell her E36 M3 over the phone.
Evidently it's a major crime to remove a VIN plate from a vehicle even though some of them are simple held on with just two or four tiny, rusted phillips head screws.
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