An older couple that I'm friends with has an old (1st gen maybe?) Avalon that they have loved nearly to death. The recently bought a one or two year old Avalon and hated the way it rode - way too rough. They were complaining to me about it, so based on my experience with a local car service and the hive's endorsement, I recommended they look at the Genesis.
I got a text last night thanking me for the recommendation, they just bought a '16 Genesis.
If it goes toes up I'm blaming you guys.
yay! another convert.
If they went CPO and got the remainder of the factory warranty, the only eventual bugaboo might be the infotainment system.
Don't blame me. I share our Hyundai Horror story with anyone who will listen. A bunch of folks here have imbibed the KoolAid.
I'm 10k miles into my hyundai experiment. So far I'd say the results are... acceptable.
Wait, what? They felt an Avalon rode too rough?
In that case, I think I'd have recommended a '94 Park Avenue or Taurus-based Continental on air suspension (the only car I ever had to literally take Dramamine to drive).
Oh, and my vast experience with Hyundai/Kia says reliability is no issue. Their suspension tuning is a bit weird, but I presume these people won't be pushing the Genesis hard.
1988RedT2 said:Don't blame me. I share our Hyundai Horror story with anyone who will listen. A bunch of folks here have imbibed the KoolAid.
Yeah, and I'm now on my 5th Korean car. The first 4 were fantastic and bought running/driving/newer-ish. The last one, not so much but parts are cheap.
My parents are about 350k into their Korean car experiement. First car was a 2006 Azera that they put about 200k on, which they then traded in for a 2013 Sonata Hybrid. They're about 150k into that car, and never had any big mechanical issues with either one. The Sonata still gets 40mpg all the time, looks great, and the chassis is still tight. I'd have no reservation recommending them to anyone else.
I'm on my 3rd Korean car and I have nothing but positive things to say about them.
My brother has had an 09 Accent since new. It's got 155k and has been very reliable. I've only had to put a couple of COP coils on it and do normal maintenance til now. Now the expansion valve for the ac seems to be going bad. But 10 years without any real problems is pretty much the gold standard imo.
Klayfish said:Wait, what? They felt an Avalon rode too rough?
iI remember that when they redesigned the Avalon, Toyota went for a much stiffer, sportier suspension tune for some weird reason, which irked a lot of the traditional Avalon buyers.
NickD said:Klayfish said:Wait, what? They felt an Avalon rode too rough?
iI remember that when they redesigned the Avalon, Toyota went for a much stiffer, sportier suspension tune for some weird reason, which irked a lot of the traditional Avalon buyers.
exactly. They bought it pretty much sight unseen because they still love the old one so much, but when they got it "it rides like a sports car." To quote, "I don't know if they're trying to be all sporty and copy BMW or something, but it's not nearly as comfortable on long trips as our old one."
Over the last couple years I've ridden in the lower models from Caddy and Lincoln both in exec transport situations for work. None of them ride as nice as the local company that runs a couple year old Genesis LWB.
morello159 said:My parents are about 350k into their Korean car experiement. First car was a 2006 Azera that they put about 200k on, which they then traded in for a 2013 Sonata Hybrid. They're about 150k into that car, and never had any big mechanical issues with either one. The Sonata still gets 40mpg all the time, looks great, and the chassis is still tight. I'd have no reservation recommending them to anyone else.
We're well into the half million mile range on our Korean car experiment. The Elantra used brakes, tires and fluid changes for 170k miles. The Wife's Accent ate a transmission but I am a firm believer that was previous owner neglect and the wife running a 13" wheel over a 10" curb destroying the left front suspension. But that was $250 for a spare engine and trans and it was sold with 250k and still running great (I refrain from using "Strong" on a car with 90hp engine). The Rio we put 110k miles on without any real issues. The Forte had a variable intake runner valve fail at 62k. That was the ONLY failure on that car. The tib was a owner fail. He never changed the timing belt and it snapped. Not the cars fault.
ultraclyde said:NickD said:Klayfish said:Wait, what? They felt an Avalon rode too rough?
iI remember that when they redesigned the Avalon, Toyota went for a much stiffer, sportier suspension tune for some weird reason, which irked a lot of the traditional Avalon buyers.
exactly. They bought it pretty much sight unseen because they still love the old one so much, but when they got it "it rides like a sports car." To quote, "I don't know if they're trying to be all sporty and copy BMW or something, but it's not nearly as comfortable on long trips as our old one."
Over the last couple years I've ridden in the lower models from Caddy and Lincoln both in exec transport situations for work. None of them ride as nice as the local company that runs a couple year old Genesis LWB.
Yeah, the new Caddy's (from the ATS all the way up to the XTS) ride really terrible. The XTS is just the Impala platform so it's not even that sporty, and it has rear air suspension, but they must use way stiffer springs. Cadillac also throws Brembo brakes on those as well, which make the god-awful screeching noise any time you hit the brakes. Again, not sure why you need Brembos on a car that is owned by 70 year olds who never go faster than 48mph.
We're on Hyundai-Kia product #3 right now, and #1, a 2004 Sedona, is still in the family (my brother-in-law bought it from us) and still going strong at 170K miles. Count us as fans of the brand. My daughter's '05 Accent is strangely endearing to drive. The hamsters pedal as hard as they can.
I very much am a Japanese car person. with Brand loyalties to Honda and Mazda. I have the focus which has been a love/hate relationship.
but I'd refer someone to a Hyundai before a Nissan.
I expect a Hyundai will be a future purchase of mine.
Lifetime Ford fan, went in to test drive a leftover '17 Elantra Sport during a weak moment and the rest is history.
There's been a few growing pains, but that's par for the course with any "enthusiast" vehicle I've owned, and the local dealership isn't perfect, but my issues have been fixed with zero monies out of pocket and they always provide a rental car.
They provide a lot of value for the money, and I'd say my car is the epitome of "dad fun". I usually have an older guy every few weeks stop me and ask about the car.
A very close friend's father was a 2-time Lexus owner LS-series keeping each about 10 years. He made the switch to a Genesis the last time around. He loves the car and has nothing negative to say about the car but he HATES the service dept experience. In general it is a low-rent experience where he was used to the high-rent experience.
Sure, much of this would boil down to the particular dealership but unlike Toyota/Lexus, Infiniti/Nissan, Honda/Acura; Hyundai never really differentiated the experience for the Genesis buyers
John Welsh said:A very close friend's father was a 2-time Lexus owner LS-series keeping each about 10 years. He made the switch to a Genesis the last time around. He loves the car and has nothing negative to say about the car but he HATES the service dept experience. In general it is a low-rent experience where he was used to the high-rent experience.
Sure, much of this would boil down to the particular dealership but unlike Toyota/Lexus, Infiniti/Nissan, Honda/Acura; Hyundai never really differentiated the experience for the Genesis buyers
They are working on that now though... Genesis is now a different brand/manufacturer than Hyundai.
The wife has a 2016 Optima with every single option on it (pano roof, heated and cooled seats, etc) and the 2.4 GDI engine. Its not a bad place to spend time. You can tell it is built to a price point, but looks good, super dependable, rides nice, very roomy. My only complaint were the tires were bad when it was new and have only gotten worse. Snow is sketchy at best. Before that one she had a 2013 Optima with fewer options but was also a very nice car. Even with the standard 2.4 GDI engine it knocks down 40 MPG at 80 MPH on regular fuel consistenly. This 2016 has only needed by-the-book maintenance, the 2013 had a warranty repair on the A/C but was otherwise flawless as well.
I would recommend an Optima to anyone.
jstein77 said:We're on Hyundai-Kia product #3 right now, and #1, a 2004 Sedona, is still in the family (my brother-in-law bought it from us) and still going strong at 170K miles. Count us as fans of the brand. My daughter's '05 Accent is strangely endearing to drive. The hamsters pedal as hard as they can.
there was something about that chassis that was so fun to drive. that 05 had the 110hp 1.6, our 2000 had the 92hp 1.5. Still fun. Throw a set of springs on it and it was a hoot.
No personal experience with them, but I know my uncle LOVES his '13-14 5.0 Genesis sedan.
For the record if it all goes south, I never recommended a hyundanything, so please exclude me from future slander and give Bob an extra helping on my behalf
The worst part of the car is the dealer. They still act like they're selling Excels to folks with lousy credit.
Patrick said:For the record if it all goes south, I never recommended a hyundanything, so please exclude me from future slander and give Bob an extra helping on my behalf
I keep waiting for one of my recommendation to bite me in the keister but hasn’t yet. Maybe someday they’ll be just as bad as Honda or Toyota.
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