It's actually kinda fun.
It's actually kinda fun.
I've sold two cars on BaT. I got okay funds, but a lot of this is luck. Some particular cars go bonkers, others do not. While it's part of the fun of an auction, it's not a consistent thing. Lots of cars that should get more money do not or don't even sell. No one writes about those cars.
My friend sold his arena red 993 C4S on BaT and was disappointed in what he got for it. I think he got the low end of market value for it, so no BaT premium. A lot of that was it was sold around the holidays. He'd offered the car to me first, I wish I'd bought it!
If I sell the Corrado I'll try and get it listed on BaT, I think that's the right place for it...
Placemotorsports said:A lot of famous people and car collectors shop BAT. Cars and Bids is still up and coming really and isn't as well presented as BAT is. Not as much as a Target vs Walmart aspect but you get that kinda feel between them. Just my opinion of course
Yeah, but you generally can't buy something at Target and return it at Walmart.
In reply to Javelin :
I may be able to shed at least a little light on those cars.
86 is the first year and the lightest of the 951s. They really feel different than all the years after. They really feel like a sports car. These have become desirable to those in the know. Arguably they are the most fun to toss around on a back road or on the track. Unforchinitly many more people are learning about these and the prices are reflecting this.
89 cars especially an MO30 optioned car are considered to be the last and iteration of the original 951. They are heavier and have much more of a GT car feel then the 86. But they have many refinements in the suspension and the motor that make them faster more refined feeling cars while still sticking to the original recipe of the 86 951.
I am not surprised by these prices. These cars are now on a rapid upwards trend in desirability. As a new generation grows up the cars of 80s and early 90s are going to go through the same thing that muscle cars did.
Part of the moral of the story here is to detail and photograph the ENTIRE car if you want to get all of the money out of it. One thing that the two big big money cars have in common are immaculate undersides and a ton of photos of it. The just normal big money car has three low effort underside photos and from what's visible it looks like the underside is dirtier than either of the other two higher mileage cars. That's the kind of thing that really turns off someone shopping for collector cars. if you're going for the car looking like it just rolled off the assembly line...that means the whole car. Also while black might be the more rare color...there's a reason red is more common, it's basically the quintessential old (and arguably new) porsche color. And it's way more appealing than black independent of that. The red '86 also has a few details that the black one is missing, the stereo equalizer and the fuchs wheels are both big time collector items and at least the wheels are worth quite a bit even on a non-collector quality car. Also I can never remember if the rear wiper delete was a factory option or not. If it wasn't then that's another minor strike against the black car. Other than that, yes there is a decent luck factor and timing also matters. The '89 is a different animal, basically the last year, some nice upgrades over the earlier cars, and, iirc, a lot fewer of them made. That's always going to draw more money.
Like any auction, it all depends on who shows up to bid. If you ran those cars through the same auctions a second time, they may end up selling for wildly different numbers - you just never know.
Rear wiper is a factory option. Both my 86 and my 88 had it. My current 89 MO30 car does not. Just the filler plug in the back glass
In reply to dean1484 :
My 89 S2 has no wiper and no plug, just glass.
Now I am going to have to see if there is a pattern for rear wipers and the glass. I never really thought about it before.
How is the 86 lighter? All the 951's came to the USA equipped the same with AC power windows, sunroofs, etc, etc. There's no mechanical or cosmetic difference between the 86 and the later 951's other than the wheel offset/hubs.
In reply to docwyte :
Changes to crash safety requirements can drive tweaks to the chassis that add weight. I'd be surprised if that's not the cause of the difference. As an example of that happening early in a model run, 93 Grand Cherokees are lighter than any other year of that generation. Most of the difference is because they lack the big crash beams in the doors that were added in 94 to meet updated safety regulations.
Airbags is the only thing I know of. The internet is all over the place with weight specs so it's hard to tell but I'd be surprised if the difference was more than like 50lb. I mean the weight difference between 944 and turbo is only like 150lbs. I owned an '86 for a while and have driven multiple '87s and can't say I remember them feeling any different.
In reply to docwyte :
Could be things like sound deadening, or ballast for NVH. Add some of that stuff and increase the power and the reputation goes from "lightweight sportscar" to " comfortable GT car". It doesn't have to be a lot to change people's minds. Especially sports car purists.
docwyte said:How is the 86 lighter?
US curb weights are based off the most commonly sold configuration of the vehicle. So if the most common 944 sold in 86 had fewer options than the most common in 89, it gets a higher curb weight even if everything about the vehicle was identical between the two years.
docwyte said:How is the 86 lighter? All the 951's came to the USA equipped the same with AC power windows, sunroofs, etc, etc. There's no mechanical or cosmetic difference between the 86 and the later 951's other than the wheel offset/hubs.
Aren't 86's manual steering?
Javelin said:docwyte said:How is the 86 lighter? All the 951's came to the USA equipped the same with AC power windows, sunroofs, etc, etc. There's no mechanical or cosmetic difference between the 86 and the later 951's other than the wheel offset/hubs.
Aren't 86's manual steering?
Not sure if some were, but mine had power steering:
All the turbo's had PS, PB, PW, AC, sunroof (you specifically had to order it without one to delete it), etc. In 87 they did get airbags, but that can't add more than 30lbs or so. The fuchs that some 86's had were pretty light but again, there shouldn't be a large difference in weight between any of the 951's. Certainly not enough to make one a "sports car" and another one a "GT".
Also cruise control I believe. And I'm pretty sure all of the 944 range had all of that equipment, not just the turbos. The n/a we had certainly had power steering. But I never had any motivation to know anything about the n/a models, so maybe I'm wrong. If you look at five different websites you'll probably see five different listed curb weights, the only way to verify at this point is to get some cars and weigh them.
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