Lugnut wrote: Am I the only one who doesn't really care whether a car is rwd or fwd? I mean, sure, the rwd is fun for donuts and dorifto king, but every configuration is fun to drive fast. Right?
I'm with you. A fast car is a fast car. A fun car is a fun car. I don't care how many cylinders, what the layout is, whether it's turbo, supercharged, or n/a.
I spent this past autoX season campaigning a 415whp Integra built by a local performance shop. While it did put a smile on my face and allowed me to mop up the SM season championship, I was more than happy to spend the last two events racing my bog-stock NA Miata.
Keep in mind my previous race cars were a 2002 Acura RSX (STS) and a 1991 CRX Si (CSP) so I don't have an aversion to FWD shenanigans, I just find RWD more rewarding, or perhaps find the Miata more rewarding.
For an everyday car, FWD or RWD is not that much of a concern, but for autocross or track work, I pretty much don't care for most fwd cars. There are a few I like (like last gen Celicas and Type R's), but for the most part, understeer and torque steer just frustrate me.
For the MINI, it's a car I really want to like. I test drove a Cooper S recently, worked up a deal, but backed out at the last minute. As much as I wanted it to be, my heart wasn't in it and I knew I would be looking to sell it within a few months. I have a hard enough time with car ADD as it is, much less with one I only partially enjoy.
So, my search goes on for the perfect everyday car. Unfortunately, with the second grandkid on the way, a back seat is a necessity, which really limits my choices.
I've got a MINI S and a Mustang. Both ridiculously fun in different ways. The Cooper is like a hyperactive Jack Russell, or a scalpel. The Mustang is like a Rottweiller, or a 3lb hand sledge. Both are very effective in their element. Both can be illegal amounts of fun when driven in semi-suicidal fashion.
I would be very surprised if the Cooper did it for you when the Type R did not, and don't ask me about the R53 build and engineering quality.
Sidebar: I've seen the phrase "bog stock" used twice in this thread - I always thought the expression was "box stock" as in, I took it right out of the box and put it on the track. Did I miss something?
ultraclyde wrote: I've got a MINI S and a Mustang. Both ridiculously fun in different ways. The Cooper is like a hyperactive Jack Russell, or a scalpel. The Mustang is like a Rottweiller, or a 3lb hand sledge. Both are very effective in their element. Both can be illegal amounts of fun when driven in semi-suicidal fashion. I would be very surprised if the Cooper did it for you when the Type R did not, and don't ask me about the R53 build and engineering quality. Sidebar: I've seen the phrase "bog stock" used twice in this thread - I always thought the expression was "box stock" as in, I took it right out of the box and put it on the track. Did I miss something?
Bog standard (or stock) is a fairly common idiom. http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bog+standard Lots of ways to say the same damn thing in English. Comes down to where you hail from I suppose
Well, "bog standard" is a UK expression for something that is, well, as standard as a certain kind of throne you buy at your local plumbing supply place.
having driven a friends 06 mcs on several occasions, and not having to live with its electronics and cooling system on a daily basis, it was fun to drive. Notice this opinion would be completely opposite if I owned it and had to deal with those problems.....lol
I also kinda chuckled at how my stock redline waxed his mcs that was 15% pulley reduction, tune, intake, and exhaust.....its s/c did scream though. Since I bought the redline, I like it better than most other fwd cars I've driven
I've always used "bone stock"
maybe it's a southeastern us thing?
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