Apexcarver said:In reply to mr2s2000elise :
Snow, or even a decent rain event is outside the operational design domain of pretty much every system out there. You could get into a very bad situation very quickly pushing it too far on that.
OK.
Everything has its limits. I assume well worn paint might give it a problem as well etc.
To me that's like complaining the pretty girl you married burns the toast .
Apexcarver said:In reply to frenchyd :
You have some time before it's really viable for that purpose. Right now it's expected to have a instant handoff in case of an emergency, which is marginal for regular drivers. What you are looking for is level 4 at least and we have awhile before that's ready.
I tried supercruse years ago in a Cadillac, plus several other ADAS systems (Tesla, Volvo, Lexus, etc) and I thought it was the best of the bunch. The driver alerts and monitoring are fairly robust and prevent overreliance (Tesla) andnit does a good job getting down the road well, unlike many of the other offerings. I need to get some time in some of the newest tech soon.
My grandfather almost blind with cataracts had my grandmother sit right next to him when he drove his 1960 Chevy to town for groceries during midday in the middle of the week. When traffic on rural roads is at a absolute minimum.
Maybe 20 mph ". A little to the left, no not so much, there you go, OK slow down we have the big curve coming up". •••• that got Grandma a couple more years of living in her home.
Cataracts can be fixed now but slow reactions, looking the wrong way etc. that's what "hands free" driving will help us seniors. The average adult male is now living to 78.8 my actuarial table has me living to 84.4 it would be good to get as many of those year's independent, out of assisted living.
I expect it will get a few drunks home safely as well but I'm OK with that.
I won't be around when the robot butler will do the driving. If that's what you think has to be the standard.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to NY Nick :
According to the build and price page you have to get the higher trims. LT and up. The 3.0 is not offered in WT or custom trim packages.
That's the way it's always been. First Air Conditioning was in 1953 Cadillac Eldorado.
I don't remember when Chevy first got it. Probably wasn't until the 1960's some time.
In reply to 06HHR (Forum Supporter) :
I figured it out this morning. I can't swear that it has "super cruise" because I never see that terminology but I put every driver assist piece on there I could find. It was less expensive than I feared at $63K. Out of my current range but it gives me some hope.
In reply to frenchyd :
Being unable to drive doesn't always mean having to move into assisted living. Depending on where you live, what family is around (or what other services are available), etc. remaining at home is still an option. You can always have some things delivered, have a family member or service take you to appointments, out to the store periodically, etc. It may be inconvenient, but I'd say it still beats having to leave home.
In reply to NY Nick :
Certain configurations will make your eyes water! I wanted an SUV with super cruise for carrying people/towing, but they're currently 40k+ more than the trucks - ouch.
I've heard a lt of good things about the 3.0 diesel. Would be nice to get it in a "work truck" trim level.
rslifkin said:In reply to frenchyd :
Being unable to drive doesn't always mean having to move into assisted living. Depending on where you live, what family is around (or what other services are available), etc. remaining at home is still an option. You can always have some things delivered, have a family member or service take you to appointments, out to the store periodically, etc. It may be inconvenient, but I'd say it still beats having to leave home.
The average time spent in assisted living tends to be short. In part it's so darn expensive if you're paying and so depressing if the taxpayers are paying. Nobody wants to be there.
With regard to the family. Frankly that 's what we thought. Oh we love her, she's our mother, they all said. 5 children. Between 50& 70 some retired and living near by. Others working full time.
Between Nurses visiting 2times a week, therapists, weekly. Retired family members nearby. We thought we could do it.
My wife and others had a rotating schedule towards the end. We had to keep an eye on her 24/7 weak legs and if she fell she couldn't get up. She'd be on the floor until the next person took over.
We talked to professionals and that wouldn't work. Costs were through the roof.
The professionals were impressed that we'd successfully kept her in her home for over 4 years. I'd bring her home cooked meals that she wolfed down like she hadn't had a meal in 3 days. But people were bringing her the food she asked for, she just didn't eat it. ( my wife is a great cook)
same with medication or bandages. She only wanted me or Paul ( another son-in-law ) to put them on. Her daughters were too brisk or too tight etc. in short 9 people 5 children plus spouses couldn't take care of her anymore.
That's not every senior. A lot just pass away from heart attacks, strokes etc. However those that slowly deteriorate over years need help.
frenchyd said:The average time spent in assisted living tends to be short. In part it's so darn expensive if you're paying and so depressing if the taxpayers are paying. Nobody wants to be there.
With regard to the family. Frankly that 's what we thought. Oh we love her, she's our mother, they all said. 5 children. Between 50& 70 some retired and living near by. Others working full time.
Between Nurses visiting 2times a week, therapists, weekly. Retired family members nearby. We thought we could do it.
My wife and others had a rotating schedule towards the end.
It definitely depends on the required level of care. There's a big difference between "can't drive safely anymore but is still self sufficient at home" and "needs near constant assistance in the house".
In reply to accordionfolder :
Can you post your build? What options did you choose and what trim? I know someone with that engine in a Suburban and they're averaging 27mpg, which is amazing.
In reply to yupididit :
It was used so I don't have the full build sheet on hand. It's the "High Country" trim with tech package and trailer package I know. My only criteria was super cruise, which is easy-ish to spot since it has the light bar on the steering wheel. A lot of dealers/sellers don't seem to know which is which. They've also been selling some without the full parts, so you have to order them when they come in to enable features. Like my truck has the switch for the parking sensors, but it's missing some chips to enable it.
In reply to rslifkin :
Yes, there is no one answer. My Grandmother lived over 20 years ( to 91) in Senior living cooking and cleaning and caring for herself. My Grandfather spent 5 months in the hospital before passing. My real mother died at 91 living on her own. Dad in the hospital at 48
Back to the subject. Advanced Cruise control, self driving, hands free driving, whatever you want to call it, while not perfect, yet! It's still worlds better than hard of hearing nearly blind Grandpa driving to the doctors/ Store/church unaided.
First real tow, up to NCM. 20.7mpg on the way up, 18.5 on the way down into a stiff headwind. I used 12 gallons of diesel total compared to >20gallons for the f-550.
Is the towing experience with SuperCruise way more relaxing, or does the mental focus required to monitor the system use similar energy?
In reply to AMiataCalledSteve :
Very relaxing when used with some common sense. You can usually guess when it's going to have problems. As an assistive tech it's not like you can simply stop paying attention anyways, but adjusting the radio or checking navigation routes feels a lot safer with it in super cruise mode.
Other issues are if you set the speed really high relative to the road or conditions it starts getting a bit sketchy, but see point 1: common sense.
It's far from perfect, but anytime I can't "super cruise" i'm a little sad - which probably says it all.
In reply to AMiataCalledSteve :
I've driven for 22 hours straight pulling a heavy race car trailer through the Rocky Mountains. I drove well and attentively.
Now that comes pretty naturally with all the experience I have . Regular cruise helps a great deal. Yet super cruise/hands free, whatever it's called it is a real safety device. Plus there are other real benefits to society
Yes a few drunks will get home safely using it ( if they are sober enough) but the role of the law is to make the road safer not collect more tickets.
The scary thing to me is, and I get this from talking to my JetBlue Captain BIL, they already have many aides such as these in the cockpit. He says that as a consequence they already have crews who are incapable of performing some tasks (landings as an example) without the assistance of technology that didn't even exist a couple of decades ago. I'm not talking about landing in heavy fog with no instrumentation- Sully couldn't even do that - but rather some very basic skill sets. It seems that the fundamental skills have been dumbed out of the system and the mandatory training isn't filling the gap. I fear that the same thing will happen (and it already has to some degree) on our public roads. As a motorcyclist out there among Joe and Jane Berkovf, the application of this technology concerns me greatly.
Toyman! said:I looked at the 3l Chevy and GMC before I bought my Touareg. They were a bit more than I wanted to spend.
Now there's a sentence to send back in time 10-20 years.
In reply to A 401 CJ :
I've heard that about flying since the Navy trained me back in 1967. How I didn't do this and learn that. Well the truth is my career of flying Grumman S2E 's on and off aircraft carriers. I never once was put in a situation they had failed to train me for.
I looked very closely at flying for the airlines and in the end choose not to go that route. The sacrifices weren't worth the boring nature of the job. The things That interested me paid even less.
Aides that new cars have available I see as wonderful safety features. Designed to save and protect me without intrusion.
In reply to A 401 CJ :
The thought is a bit scary, but at the same time, so many people don't desire to gain any more skill than the bare minimum to get them to work, their friend's house, the store, and back home without doing too much damage most days. And many are already at (or below) that level of driving skill at this point. So I'm not sure how much worse it'll actually get.
rslifkin said:In reply to A 401 CJ :
The thought is a bit scary, but at the same time, so many people don't desire to gain any more skill than the bare minimum to get them to work, their friend's house, the store, and back home without doing too much damage most days. And many are already at (or below) that level of driving skill at this point. So I'm not sure how much worse it'll actually get.
I'll be honest - I have no idea what skills A 401 CJ is implying are lost here.
frenchyd is dead on - especially from a motorcyclists perspective - the current suite of driver aids are incredible. The numbers posted earlier in the thread speak for themselves. You should want every car and every person to have access to the assistive tech suite as well thought out and capable as super cruise (or adaptive cruise, or auto emergency brakes, or blind spot monitors). It'll make driving our various E36 M3boxes and two wheeled contraptions that much safer.
The comments about commercial flight make even less sense - as it's safer and more reliable than it's ever been in history. It's astronomically safer to fly commercially than it is to drive to the store for milk.
Thanks for sharing your new truck, I seem to have missed the gm 1500 diesel option with supercruise and towing packages.
Just to clarify, this only really drives itself on major highways?
I agree the driver assist suites are great at catching inattention or focus breaks (Everyone has them...) I have direct experience with brake assist preventing a rear end collision after a long stressful day of driving. I have been enjoying "driver assist" for a few years now.
I wish the "ultra cruise" was being released in the trucks and not just cadillacs initially.
I agree with the general sentiment that reducing driver fatigue increases independence. Unfortunately waiting for the next best system doesn't have value during twilight years.
Would you recommend splurging for the super cruise now if major highway road trips are not the primary travel ? I understand the level 3 "ultra cruise" is supposed to handle rural and urban driving, but it's always possible this will be delivered a little too late to have value for a certain generation. I'm on the fence, I have no experience with gm's supercruise, but have many miles with "lane keep assist" and "radar cruise" syatems.
Is there a better map somewhere?
In reply to daytonaer :
This page has an interactive map on it:
https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-cruise
"Just to clarify, this only really drives itself on major highways?"
Once on a major highway or many divided roads - it will take over the steering/braking/lane keeping. I have the most recent version and it will do it with a trailer attached (it increases following distance, etc). With no trailer attached - and if you have the option enabled - this version/hardware of super cruise will choose when to overtake and do so automatically with no intervention. I personally do NOT like that feature, yet - but it's easy to disable. I only enable it on the most empty of stretches. The versions that have automatic lane change allow you to bump the blinker and it will (with no trailer, again) change lanes when it's safe to do so all on it's own. If I understand correctly, previous generations took human intervention to change lanes.
"Would you recommend splurging for the super cruise now if major highway road trips are not the primary travel ?"
My use case is fairly focused - I have a beater and my wife has a daily driver for the city. We use the truck for long trips and race weekends. Our CX-9 has adaptive cruise with start/stop and it was life altering on long trips. Super Cruise takes that and pushes it even further. The cost is fairly brutal at this point, as only new trucks have super cruise + towing and only newer cars have super cruise + lane change.
Is it a must have? Definitely not, but having done a 3 hour tow and a pair of 8+ hour road trips with super cruise it's 100% worth it if you can swing it.
Next tow/long trip I'll try to get a video of it in action - it probably tells a better story. Funny thing is, with super cruise, it demands you pay MORE attention than most of the terrible drivers do on the road today in a regular car. If you look away from the road for very long it will warn you and then disable itself - phone, radio, getting a drink, etc - it's a much more responsible system than the other's I've seen.
"I have direct experience with brake assist preventing a rear end collision after a long stressful day of driving"
I do as well, though it wasn't in any of my current cars. I was in my cx-5 and someone entered my lane (texting) heavily from the left side, I swerved and took my attention away from the front of me for a split second - the car 2 cars ahead of me was turning off the major road and the car in front of me went late on the brakes. I looked back and was going for the brakes when the cx-5 threw out the anchor with a PURPOSE. I definitely would've rear-ended the car in front of me without it.
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