Antihero
Antihero GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/23/22 9:09 p.m.

So my power trowel is acting berkeleying weird but the symptoms shown aren't adding up in my mind. It could be that I work too hard, I'm sleep deprived and missing something stupid. I'll just list what happened and see what you guys think without a bias on what the others people in the jobsite thought.

 

So, I started my finishing machine and for roughly 3 minutes it ran fine. Then it started smoking heavily but not consistently. It was a ridiculous amount of blue smoke and very obviously burning oil. During this time it ran perfectly.

 

After awhile it was literally belching flames thru the muffler, like a never flickering lightsaber of fire emerging from the exhaust. It didn't cycle, change or flicker. It was a solid flame for roughly 3 more minutes.

 

At this point since concrete was going off I decided berkeley it, viking funeral it is and revved it up to try to use it for as long as I could. It ran at higher rpm for a few minutes afterwards and died without coughing. I pulled it to the edge of the slab and attempted to restart it. It wouldn't restart but had compression and wasn't seized I literally had a few moments to spare so I popped off the oil cap to see if I had just used up a bunch of oil. The oil was heavily pressurized and there wasnt significantly more than there should be. No one added oil and the oil didn't seem to have anything added to it, it didn't smell of gas, or show that it was anything different than just plain oil.

 

Afterwards I got it home and it started on the first pull but it doesn't like to run with the choke all the way off. It's been cold blooded in the past so it's not necessarily untoward.

 

I pulled the plug and it was fairly obviously oil fouled. I cleaned it up and there is no change in how it's running.

 

2 other guys on the jobsite are mechanics and have varied theories on WTF was happening but I want to hear more theories because as it stands it runs fine with the choke half on and I have no real reason why it failed. It's a Honda Gx160 motor

 

What does GRM think?

CJ
CJ GRM+ Memberand Dork
7/24/22 1:14 a.m.

Here's a WAG - Could the breather tube be blocked?  I can't think of any way the crankcase could be holding pressure on an engine that isn't running if the vent to the atmosphere wasn't blocked.

I seem to remember hearing that some of the Hondas have some kind of reed valve involved in venting the crank... maybe...

Antihero
Antihero GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/24/22 2:49 p.m.
CJ said:

Here's a WAG - Could the breather tube be blocked?  I can't think of any way the crankcase could be holding pressure on an engine that isn't running if the vent to the atmosphere wasn't blocked.

I seem to remember hearing that some of the Hondas have some kind of reed valve involved in venting the crank... maybe...

That's a good idea but the breather doesn't seem to be blocked.

Maybe it did block up at one time and pressurized so much that fuel got thru to the exhaust and pushed/pulled oil thru the rings?

If it wasn't belching fire and smoking heavily I would have assumed it was running fine. It wasn't running rough or anything, I assumed it cut off originally from a low oil shutoff but apparently that isn't the case either

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/24/22 3:14 p.m.

Just a wag...  it seems like it was at least partially burning oil.  That doesn't add up with not being overfill.

 

 

Antihero
Antihero GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/24/22 7:43 p.m.
wvumtnbkr said:

Just a wag...  it seems like it was at least partially burning oil.  That doesn't add up with not being overfill.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Maybe the oil was slightly over full and that's how much it burned off? I checked it before I loaded it and it wasn't overfull though.

 

I hate problems like this, I'd rather see a rod hanging out the block so at least I know wtf happened. 

You'll need to log in to post.

Our Preferred Partners
WGjioYc9h2vY2L80tUdT9A0W5t9Ao8FXiu1GbRuJiHwzty9Vh53Zz6fJ3DFLdhJx