I keep waiting for people to remember that VW was not the first to cheat

In reply to dean1484:

I'm with you on that one, Dean. My biggest fear is what this kind of cheating scandal is going to do to emissions testing nationwide; I was happy as hell that Wisconsin finally abandoned the silly roller-dyno testing a few years ago in favor of OBD-II checks, but if there's one thing becoming clear from this scandal, it's that OBD-II is one of the EASIEST things to cheat. Hell, VW figured out how to spoof an entire testing drive cycle! No doubt this is going to get very interesting as time goes on.

And I had forgotten all about the big VW plant...

In reply to ebonyandivory:

Clearly you're unable to say "I'm sorry too man, I see how you could have picked that up," even after I apologized, so I'm just going to disconnect from this conversation.

Kramer wrote: Shame on all of us for voting for a government that has created rules so strict and expensive that it's easier to cheat than to build compliant cars that would be cost-prohibitive. Some regulation is necessary, but this has gotten out of hand.

Eh, not sure this is a case of government regulation gone amok. Nobody is forcing them to build diesels, let alone at those specific performance and economy specs. It's not "cars" in general that are difficult to make it past regulations in a marketable package, just a specific subset of powertrains that have always had an issue with emissions. They got caught gaming the system and it turns out their engineering promises were false.

Dean said it better than I did.

Just watch out though: saying VW should be punished will automatically get construed as "the trucking industry should be exonerated!".

Some of the first articles I read talked about the truck case. The Cadillac case wasn't far behind.

In reply to pointofdeparture:

Well, I only appologize after making a mistake. You did and appologized and I accept it.

Im sure it makes me look petty but sometimes I can't let certain things go. One of them is having my words twisted to support a point of view that I do not hold. Especially when that same person won't do that same twisting to the previous posts merely because it doesn't support your argument.

Me thinks the OP owns a new TDI.

Or like a German starts a conversation so he can then argue about it.

Peace out,love thy neighbor and all that.

In reply to ebonyandivory:

That honestly wasn't my intent. When you said "call me lazy for not reading," in that context, I took that as a disregard for the facts as opposed to an actual time crunch on your end, and being who I am (career copywriter and freelance journalist...yeah) I responded with, well, a snarky deliverance of the facts. It has since become clear that you were just trying to be funny instead of disregarding the facts, and now I am the jerk. And, so, I apologize for being a jerk.

You would probably understand if you met a few of the personalities I have to deal with at work every day...

ANYWAY, back to the topic at hand. More than anything, as noted above, I sweat the kind of impact this could have on emissions testing in general; not just for diesels, but gas cars as well. This case seems to be rapidly evolving from an issue of "VW cheated!" into "well, VW was cheating, I wonder who else has been all this time?" Needless to say, I think things are gonna get UGLY soon...I just hope the 2013 Fit I just bought doesn't get wrapped up in all this.

In reply to pointofdeparture:

Actually, I TOTALLY understand. Having written all I have, I WILL say that texts/forum posts are very hard to interpret correctly even if for the lack of hearing my tone of even the look on my face.

(As far as work personalities goes, Sunday at work I was clapping when my football team scored and a client didn't approve. He grabbed a 12" kitchen knife from the sink and threw it at the back of my head and it actually brushed across my jaw-line and hit the wall 15' away. I've been on edge ever since. If I over react, I blame it on that!)

Any now I will get back on topic as well: What are the chances all this doesn't get passed onto the tax payers/new car buyers? EXACTLY ZERO.

ebonyandivory wrote: Any now I will get back on topic as well: What are the chances all this doesn't get passed onto the tax payers/new car buyers? EXACTLY ZERO.

The messed up thing is, it already has. VW banked something like $51 million in taxpayer-funded subsidies for its "clean diesel" offerings that have now found to be anything but...as if the EPA was bad enough, now the IRS is pissed at them!

In reply to pointofdeparture:

Can you see a way of VW coming out of this even resembling the company of say last year?

Deserved or not, I find it hard to believe that they survive intact. And this is assuming the real E36 M3 hitting the fan will be the sheer cluster berkeley it'll be getting these cars compliant.

It's like ramming your car into an old building. Sure there's the initial incident but the fix and the fallout afterward is the real problem And that's not even in the picture yet.

It's hard to find the content in this thread.

kevlarcorolla wrote: Me thinks the OP owns a new TDI. Or like a German starts a conversation so he can then argue about it. Peace out,love thy neighbor and all that.

I am the OP and I don't own a volkswagon of any kind. I just thought it was interesting that I had not seen any reference to the truck story in the media I read. Unfortunately the thread turned into the kind of thing GRM hates so I am sorry I started it. I'm out.

I'm at fault for the derailment. My apologies to all. Especially to the OP.

I did exactly what I hate.

bearmtnmartin wrote:

kevlarcorolla wrote: Me thinks the OP owns a new TDI. Or like a German starts a conversation so he can then argue about it. Peace out,love thy neighbor and all that.

I am the OP and I don't own a volkswagon of any kind. I just thought it was interesting that I had not seen any reference to the truck story in the media I read. Unfortunately the thread turned into the kind of thing GRM hates so I am sorry I started it. I'm out.

Give us some relevance and I would be interested. I don't see any other than it gives the EPA an excuse to hit VW with the biggest hammer they have.