I like the Cruze a little more now.

Ive always liked the Chevy Cruze, because It haz turbo and can be had with a manual. I just stumbled across this dyno with exhaust, intake and tune. Made 166whp and 210ftlbs.

Sounds awesome. http://youtu.be/_0mz9QSkW20

Oh, the sound of a clutch that's JUST hanging on.. It's a good sound. Sort of.

That is not a fast car but i'd venture it's a very satisfying car. A similar power to weight ratio in my Dodge Spirit was plenty for harassing non turbo e46s and e90s and old 5.0s and modded diesel pickups and the like. The great thing about small-turbo cars is that you get 85% of peak torque 85% of the time.

I wonder what affect that has on the gas milage

I seriously looking at a Cruze Eco6 as my next car

In reply to Vigo:

That's about the power level where the clutch starts slipping and giving up the ghost.

I would look at a Cruze diesel. If enough people buy them, it will force Ford and DaimlerChrysler to sell cars with diesel engines. Hopefully Mazda will introduce a diesel for their 3 and 6 cars soon.

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: I would look at a Cruze diesel. If enough people buy them, it will force Ford and DaimlerChrysler to sell cars with diesel engines. Hopefully Mazda will introduce a diesel for their 3 and 6 cars soon.

the diesel "tax" is just way too much to justify … couple thousand $$$$ above the base car, fuel runs ~ the same as 93 (40 - 60¢ more than 87) for very little better gas milage

If they would import a Cruze wagon I'd seriously shop it. I won't even make any crazy demands, like, it has to be a diesel, and a manual. Just offer the thing in a wagon, and I'll be interested.

Was home this weekend, riding in the back of my parents' Buick Lucerne, and thinking to myself, "If only they made these in wagons..."

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: I would look at a Cruze diesel. If enough people buy them, it will force Ford and DaimlerChrysler to sell cars with diesel engines. Hopefully Mazda will introduce a diesel for their 3 and 6 cars soon.

At this point you should know there is no DaimlerChrysler.

volvoclearinghouse wrote: If they would import a Cruze wagon I'd seriously shop it. I won't even make any crazy demands, like, it has to be a diesel, and a manual. Just offer the thing in a wagon, and I'll be interested. Was home this weekend, riding in the back of my parents' Buick Lucerne, and thinking to myself, "If only they made these in wagons..."

I agree and think that about most sedans, lol. The fusion, 6 ( I know they make one and we don't get it), accord, at least the focus, elantra, forte have hatchback variants. But a little bit more interior room and length would be even better

The thing I don't get is they will make the Honda crosstour, bmw 5 series gt and other cars like that, but a wagon/estate anythibg is an enormous no go? WTF marketer's!!!

At this point you should know there is no DaimlerChrysler.

Thanks, I just learned something. Chrysler Group LLC may need to manufacture some if the interest is high.

Diesel vehicles can be converted to use used vegetable oil or to use biodiesel, which as time goes by, should become more accessible and more affordable.

People in the US don't want to buy wagons because of the stigma. We don't even buy hatchbacks very much.

Ranger50 wrote: In reply to Vigo: That's about the power level where the clutch starts slipping and giving up the ghost.

The one on the dyno sounded like an auto(or robo manual), thats the only reason I've seen multigear pulls. If its a traditional automatic, I'd like to see the dynochart, because they can cause a torque spike when the converter locks up.

Also, GM doesn't seem to believe in stock clutches that can handle anything over stock anymore.

In reply to yamaha:

Last I knew ZZP's test car was an auto....

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: At this point you should know there is no DaimlerChrysler. Thanks, I just learned something. Chrysler Group LLC may need to manufacture some if the interest is high. Diesel vehicles can be converted to use used vegetable oil or to use biodiesel, which as time goes by, should become more accessible and more affordable. People in the US don't want to buy wagons because of the stigma. We don't even buy hatchbacks very much.

if the Cruze came as a hatch back, I don't think there'd be any reason for me to shop elsewhere

Ranger50 wrote: In reply to yamaha: Last I knew ZZP's test car was an auto....

OK, so traditional torque converter auto or robomanual auto?

Simply put. I love my Cruze. 56,950 miles as of lunch. Almost time for a set of tires. Damn maintenance pig, you would think after feeding it Dexos1 every 5000 miles that it would regenerate the tires autonomously.

yamaha wrote:

Ranger50 wrote: In reply to yamaha: Last I knew ZZP's test car was an auto....

OK, so traditional torque converter auto or robomanual auto?

Torque converter manumatic garbage.

wbjones wrote:

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: At this point you should know there is no DaimlerChrysler. Thanks, I just learned something. Chrysler Group LLC may need to manufacture some if the interest is high. Diesel vehicles can be converted to use used vegetable oil or to use biodiesel, which as time goes by, should become more accessible and more affordable. People in the US don't want to buy wagons because of the stigma. We don't even buy hatchbacks very much.

if the Cruze came as a hatch back, I don't think there'd be any reason for me to shop elsewhere

Likewise, if it were available as a two door, I'd be looking at them right now.

Zomby Woof wrote:

wbjones wrote:

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: At this point you should know there is no DaimlerChrysler. Thanks, I just learned something. Chrysler Group LLC may need to manufacture some if the interest is high. Diesel vehicles can be converted to use used vegetable oil or to use biodiesel, which as time goes by, should become more accessible and more affordable. People in the US don't want to buy wagons because of the stigma. We don't even buy hatchbacks very much.

if the Cruze came as a hatch back, I don't think there'd be any reason for me to shop elsewhere

Likewise, if it were available as a two door, I'd be looking at them right now.

the biggest problem I'm having is convincing myself that I can live with a sedan

Mr_Clutch42 wrote: At this point you should know there is no DaimlerChrysler. Thanks, I just learned something. Chrysler Group LLC may need to manufacture some if the interest is high. or to use biodiesel, which as time goes by, should become more accessible and more affordable. People in the US don't want to buy wagons because of the stigma. We don't even buy hatchbacks very much.

Biodiesel up to a certain percentage, usually B20 max per most manufacturers in the US market, but not really waste vegetable oil on modern DI diesel engines. Fuel dilution, sludge, ruining emmisions equipment. etc. Old IDI diesels, sure thing. They can burn just about anything.

Last I knew ZZP's test car was an auto....

Well then i hope for the sake of auto Cruze owners that my ears deceived me, because its a lot easier to upgrade the holding power of a manual than a new-ish automatic.

I found out the other day that the diesel ones have a variable vane turbo, which is pretty cool. I hope they take off so they will show up in junkyards and be used in ghetto low-displacement turbo builds.

Pretty much ALL light-duty diesels have variable vane turbos, now. I think it's because, contrary to popular opinion, diesels dont do jack E36 M3 without boost, so you need it ASAP.

Yeah, I knew that Golf TDIs have them so I shouldn't have been that surprised. I just thought of the Cruze as being a lower-class car that would be more likely to award me delicious parts before they're totally miled out.

Stuff gets really interesting when you jump into meth/water injection. I'm just gonna leave this right here: http://www.hptuners.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?47-GM-L4-I5-I6-Miscellaneous-Tuning&s=abcb7b55e40273b97f60503ccb480c6e