Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I mean - I use a toilet every day and I understand the reliable job it does for me but I do not love it.
I want to hear about your ballcock.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I mean - I use a toilet every day and I understand the reliable job it does for me but I do not love it.
I want to hear about your ballcock.
Javelin wrote:Keith wrote: My Grand Cherokee blah blah blah...You realize the that the Grand Cherokee and regular Cherokee have pretty much nothing in common and are totally different cars, right? That's like saying I don't get why people like Miata's because my FB RX-7 has no steering feel.
I know my GC isn't an XJ, but from my experience with those I'd still go with the Outback for a road-based vehicle. If I needed the utility or off-road aspect, I'd go with a Toyota pickup.
N Sperlo wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I mean - I use a toilet every day and I understand the reliable job it does for me but I do not love it.I want to hear about your ballcock.
Perhaps this illustration will be helpful.
I live by the "one good car" theorey, most of which involves keeping the wife happy. For a few years, that involved her driving a Cherokee. After having to drive that hateful piece of E36 M3 on family holidays, I found a 760 turbo in a scrap heap, fixed what was wrong with it, and drove it for several years, until I was able to slowly and carefully, without ever actually suggesting it, get her to buy a few year old Accord.
The Cherokee spent more time being fixed in parking garages and on the side of the highway than anything else I've ever owned. Even if it had been reliable, trying to jam myself into the far too narrow and short passenger compartment, and then jerk and lurch down the road was more than I could stand.
But thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Javelin wrote:Keith wrote: My Grand Cherokee blah blah blah...You realize the that the Grand Cherokee and regular Cherokee have pretty much nothing in common and are totally different cars, right? That's like saying I don't get why people like Miata's because my FB RX-7 has no steering feel.
So so! true. I had a 1996 Orvis Grand Cherokee V8 that was the best-looking-worst-car I have ever owned. Looked incredible, just don’t drive it, and if you do, hope it makes it to the repair shop (and fill up the tank on the way).
by the way, I drove the Jeep to work today. I am actually looking forward to it snowing :-)
The P71 wouldn't even been on the map around here if GM stopped producing the B-body, and don't pretend I'm wrong here because I am not, and to test this theory gauge your own personal reaction at the following sentence;
"Caprice 5.3 swap for peanuts aka P71 auction prices"
Do you want to hear more? DOES THIS EXCITE YOU?
The Astro is horrible to ride in and engineered for about tree fiddy. Period. And the Cherokee is the same only with even more weird ergonomics.
The Outback cars from Subaru or even a B-body sedan or wagon seems to make more sense than the above. But that's just my 2 cents, carry on.
pres589 wrote: Do you want to hear more? DOES THIS EXCITE YOU?
I hurt my jaw a little bit yawning that hard.
Osterkraut wrote:Javelin wrote:It also answers the question "How do I get a large V8 to make so little power?" and "What should I buy, I need a huge trunk to store my friends in because the back seat has almost no leg room?" and "How can I satisfy my desire to fool people into thinking I'm an authority figure?" Oh and don't forget the "what am I going to do with all these spare helicoils?" I get the XJ, it's basically a manly, low-range Subaru wagon. I sort of get the Astro (I mean, I bought one), vans rock (though I'd have done fullsized if I didn't want the AWD). But the P71? Cheapness is it's only saving grace, and that's not Trinity material.Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:The P71 answers the question "How do I get a 5-year old car for under $2500?" or "How do I get a V8, RWD, 4-door?", or "How can I have the *cheapest* car to maintain and insure and not die in a wreck?" or "I have 14 dead bodies to drive to a pier and don't want to take two trips, what do I get that can still carry me, Vinny, Tony, and Mario?".pres589 wrote: I seriously do not understand infatuation with the Astro or the Cherokee.+1000 The P71 also mystifies me.
I could quote all the pics of me passing 911's on track days, winning a drag racing season championship, autocrossing with 5 people, and what-not, but I sold my P71 over a year ago because the 4.6 does drive me bat-crap insane.
Instead I'll ask you to explain the E30. I don't understand that car, and as far I know only like 3 people here own one. Their bodies show up at Challenges a lot, but they usually have an E36 suspension and they all have engine swaps.
EricM wrote: by the way, I drove the Jeep to work today. I am actually looking forward to it snowing :-)
I drove the Miata to work today. Tonight I drive the dogs to the dog park in the XJ. It hasn't broken down in years. Subarus are nice but they tend to high center at the off road parks I go to.
pres589 wrote: The P71 wouldn't even been on the map around here if GM stopped producing the B-body, and don't pretend I'm wrong here because I am not, and to test this theory gauge your own personal reaction at the following sentence;
Oh, absolutely, 1,000,000% agreed! The LS1-swapped Impala SS is the coolest car on GRM and I lust after a woodie Roadmaster in ways that are illegal.
EricM wrote: by the way, I drove the Jeep to work today. I am actually looking forward to it snowing :-)
I'm jealous that SWMBO gets to drive our XJ all winter. 
I'm kindof wanting my own so i can REALLY test it.
CGLockRacer wrote: I have a Miata DD/track car (more on the track side lately). I've been looking for a better all around DD. You guys have me looking at Cherokees, GTO's, Subies, P71's, and more. If I didn't have the self control and keep reminding myself that I need the $$ to race, who knows how many cars I would have. Instead I just torture myself looking at all these cars online thinking to myself, well maybe if I ditch (insert monthly expense here) I could swing it.... Really, I hate you all.
Heh, heh. Right, junkie. See ya tomorrow when you need your next fix..
damn...didn't mean to start a firestorm. however, this is entertaining 
I loved my '98 XJ Cherokee and I love my '91 NA Miata.
Javelin wrote: I could quote all the pics of me passing 911's on track days, winning a drag racing season championship, autocrossing with 5 people, and what-not, but I sold my P71 over a year ago because the 4.6 *does* drive me bat-crap insane. Instead I'll ask you to explain the E30. I don't understand that car, and as far I know only like 3 people here own one. Their bodies show up at Challenges a lot, but they usually have an E36 suspension and they all have engine swaps.
I think i'd like to see those pics, just for the hell of it. Also, drag racing championship? Was it bracket racing? I read a story of a guy once that won a season championship in rental Tauruses, because they were all the same, and had his dial and r/t down to a science.
Javelin wrote: Instead I'll ask you to explain the E30. I don't understand that car, and as far I know only like 3 people here own one. Their bodies show up at Challenges a lot, but they usually have an E36 suspension and they all have engine swaps.
Umm... give me a year... hopefully a season of auto-x and with any luck a HPDE will let me answer that question.
Javelin wrote:Osterkraut wrote:I could quote all the pics of me passing 911's on track days, winning a drag racing season championship, autocrossing with 5 people, and what-not, but I sold my P71 over a year ago because the 4.6 *does* drive me bat-crap insane. Instead I'll ask you to explain the E30. I don't understand that car, and as far I know only like 3 people here own one. Their bodies show up at Challenges a lot, but they usually have an E36 suspension and they all have engine swaps.Javelin wrote:It also answers the question "How do I get a large V8 to make so little power?" and "What should I buy, I need a huge trunk to store my friends in because the back seat has almost no leg room?" and "How can I satisfy my desire to fool people into thinking I'm an authority figure?" Oh and don't forget the "what am I going to do with all these spare helicoils?" I get the XJ, it's basically a manly, low-range Subaru wagon. I sort of get the Astro (I mean, I bought one), vans rock (though I'd have done fullsized if I didn't want the AWD). But the P71? Cheapness is it's only saving grace, and that's not Trinity material.Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:The P71 answers the question "How do I get a 5-year old car for under $2500?" or "How do I get a V8, RWD, 4-door?", or "How can I have the *cheapest* car to maintain and insure and not die in a wreck?" or "I have 14 dead bodies to drive to a pier and don't want to take two trips, what do I get that can still carry me, Vinny, Tony, and Mario?".pres589 wrote: I seriously do not understand infatuation with the Astro or the Cherokee.+1000 The P71 also mystifies me.
Sounds like a driver mod. 
I refuse to believe that a P71 is more capable on a track than a 911.
The E30, i can't explain. So i'm with you.
But i want one anyways.
E30's look cool to me. That's about it. Never driven one.
pres589 wrote: I seriously do not understand infatuation with the Astro or the Cherokee.
STFUGTFO
Javelin wrote:Osterkraut wrote:I could quote all the pics of me passing 911's on track days, winning a drag racing season championship, autocrossing with 5 people, and what-not, but I sold my P71 over a year ago because the 4.6 *does* drive me bat-crap insane. Instead I'll ask you to explain the E30. I don't understand that car, and as far I know only like 3 people here own one. Their bodies show up at Challenges a lot, but they usually have an E36 suspension and they all have engine swaps.Javelin wrote:It also answers the question "How do I get a large V8 to make so little power?" and "What should I buy, I need a huge trunk to store my friends in because the back seat has almost no leg room?" and "How can I satisfy my desire to fool people into thinking I'm an authority figure?" Oh and don't forget the "what am I going to do with all these spare helicoils?" I get the XJ, it's basically a manly, low-range Subaru wagon. I sort of get the Astro (I mean, I bought one), vans rock (though I'd have done fullsized if I didn't want the AWD). But the P71? Cheapness is it's only saving grace, and that's not Trinity material.Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:The P71 answers the question "How do I get a 5-year old car for under $2500?" or "How do I get a V8, RWD, 4-door?", or "How can I have the *cheapest* car to maintain and insure and not die in a wreck?" or "I have 14 dead bodies to drive to a pier and don't want to take two trips, what do I get that can still carry me, Vinny, Tony, and Mario?".pres589 wrote: I seriously do not understand infatuation with the Astro or the Cherokee.+1000 The P71 also mystifies me.
You won a bracket drag racing season championship, if memory serves. It's not like you were pushing 9s in the quarter.
You're E36 M3ting me about the ownership rate on e30s, right? And I just counted 14 Crown Vic/P71s in readers rides. I got to 40 e30s in 7 pages, with many more pages left.
Javelin wrote:pres589 wrote: The P71 wouldn't even been on the map around here if GM stopped producing the B-body, and don't pretend I'm wrong here because I am not, and to test this theory gauge your own personal reaction at the following sentence;Oh, absolutely, 1,000,000% agreed! The LS1-swapped Impala SS is the *coolest* car on GRM and I lust after a woodie Roadmaster in ways that are illegal.
i really REALLY want to have some kind of comparison between that car and mine.
I don't understand the love of any of those cars. The Miata to me is just kind meh. At least the 1.6s I have been underwhelmed. They are just a cheap knock-off of the old British sport cars. The P71 is horrible to drive. I can't say I have ever driven a XJ or E30.
mndsm wrote:Javelin wrote: I could quote all the pics of me passing 911's on track days, winning a drag racing season championship, autocrossing with 5 people, and what-not, but I sold my P71 over a year ago because the 4.6 *does* drive me bat-crap insane. Instead I'll ask you to explain the E30. I don't understand that car, and as far I know only like 3 people here own one. Their bodies show up at Challenges a lot, but they usually have an E36 suspension and they all have engine swaps.I think i'd like to see those pics, just for the hell of it. Also, drag racing championship? Was it bracket racing? I read a story of a guy once that won a season championship in rental Tauruses, because they were all the same, and had his dial and r/t down to a science.
Yeah, bracket racing. I got down to 14.8's with minimal mods. Almost all of the stuff is in my old Reader's Rides: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/reader-rides/121/
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Osterkraut wrote: You won a bracket drag racing season championship, if memory serves. It's not like you were pushing 9s in the quarter. You're E36 M3ting me about the ownership rate on e30s, right? And I just counted 14 Crown Vic/P71s in readers rides. I got to 40 e30s in 7 pages, with many more pages left.
Uh, yeah, bracket racing. The only heads-up championships are actual NHRA Sportsman racing or those crazy fastest-street-car things. What's wrong with that? Again, it's not the greatest car and I sold mine over a year ago, but it's not like they are bad, unloved, or un-deserving of being in the virtual GRM garage of happiness. It's a capable car for cheap. Different strokes for different strokes, I'm not going to explain it any further.
As for the E30, when's the last time you saw a post about one? The last time it was an "answer"? The last time someone bought one? There all there in the background, but we never hear about anybody getting one or wanting one, and I really don't see the draw. The E36 is widely considered to be vastly superior. But yeah, it's a joke.
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