Driven5
Driven5 Dork
9/5/17 10:19 p.m.

In exploring some random thoughts, my Google Fu has proven to be weak on this one. I'm looking for a list, or to compile a list, of RWD cars that actually used a 'pure' trailing arm IRS suspension.  All that I can think of off the top of my head, or have been able to find, seem to be semi-trailing arms.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/5/17 10:49 p.m.

the only three I can think of, off the top of my head, are Porsche 356s, pre-68 VWs and the early Corvairs. Even the Fiat 500 (original) used semi-trailing

Driven5
Driven5 Dork
9/5/17 11:24 p.m.

I believe those are all a form of swing axles. The later torsion bar VW/Porsche IRS is close, but appears to effectively still be semi-trailing arm by a few degrees.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/5/17 11:42 p.m.

I thought swing axles were the same as trailing arms. It's an IRS setup with a single mounted arm that "trails" from it's mount. If I am right, you can also throw the BMW 700 (the car, not the bike) and the Isetta, though that one is weird as even the twin rear wheeled Isetta only had a single trailing arm that was also the transaxle

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
9/5/17 11:51 p.m.

Are s30 ('69-'78) Datsun Z's what you are looking for? I know they switched it to what you don't want for the s130 chassis ('79-'83), that was the BarcaLounger IRS. 

Driven5
Driven5 Dork
9/5/17 11:56 p.m.

In reply to mad_machine :

Those swing axles use the axle as the other arm, with the pivot in by the diff, functionally similar to an extreme semi-trailing arm... The opposite extreme of what I'm looking for.  

Trailing arm is exactly like semi-trailing arm, with the axles not providing any motion control, except with both pivots in alignment transversely across the chassis.

A semi-trailing arm style swing axle has both significant camber gain and toe change in bump.  A true trailing arm on the other hand experiences zero camber gain or toe change in bump.

 

Driven5
Driven5 Dork
9/6/17 12:04 a.m.

In reply to Trackmouse :

S30 used struts on all four corners.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
9/6/17 8:48 p.m.

Corvair?

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/6/17 9:07 p.m.

in that case, the only trailing arm cars I can think of are FWD. the 2CV being an extreme example

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/6/17 9:34 p.m.

Are you looking for something like a DeDion tube suspension?

 

ChasH
ChasH New Reader
9/6/17 10:48 p.m.

 

 Honda 600S has a pure trailing arm rear drive suspension. Swing axle cars are semi trailing arms-the pivot of the swing is the inboard pivot of the trailing arm or in line with the inboard pivot..

Porsche used a trailing and leading arm suspension on the RSK. It functioned the same as a Watt link.

stan_d
stan_d SuperDork
9/7/17 5:49 a.m.

Does truck arm meet that ?

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse UltraDork
9/7/17 6:39 a.m.

Jaguar IRS?

rslifkin
rslifkin SuperDork
9/7/17 7:40 a.m.

In reply to volvoclearinghouse :

Jag IRS isn't trailing arm, it's double a-arm (the axle shaft functions as the upper locating link).  That goes for both the early inboard brakes version and the later outboard brakes version.  

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse UltraDork
9/7/17 7:55 a.m.

In reply to rslifkin :

You are correct.  It was early, and I hadn't yet had my coffee.  

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