Bidding north of $25K and climbing.
That's a mighty expensive VIN tag...
Wow 
I'd think I'd rather buy a Beck's. It's so far gone. If it was rebuilt, nothing but a few parts would be original and at that point who cares. I don't think any sheet metal could be saved.
When they say the Roosevelt's... do they mean Teddy/FDR and their family?
Yup, expensive VIN tag. But now it's documents as such.
EZ resto project there. Just take a fresh Bosch spark plug and screw a new Porsche onto it.
The frame looks like it...exists.
Next up, GRMers build a 356 replica that performs better than the original....using an actual bathtub as part of the construction material
(the process will be faster than "restoring" this, too.)
That'll buff out!
Wow, a few thousand posts and I never had a chance to say that one! I wonder how many people with complete POS in their driveways will be emboldened to list them at crazy prices as a result of this?
RossD wrote: When they say the Roosevelt's... do they mean Teddy/FDR and their family
It's certainly possible, I had read at one time I think FDR's son raced sports cars and was a dealer for something, perhaps Abarths.
Missing a few parts?
If you drop that off at a competent coach-builders with a cheque for $100,000 you should be able to pick up an "As New" car in about 2 years.
And you get brownie points for pulling one back from the grave (some guys get off on this)
What is a running example worth nowadays?
This has about as much documentation as Jon Voight's Lebaron.
25 grand and you don't get the cheapo trailer in the picture?
I am glad some one will rebuild it but that is a lot of money.
davidjs wrote: 25 grand and you don't get the cheapo trailer in the picture?
Ha.
My thoughts exactly...
Time to stir up a more lively discussion.....
Obviously, this car would literally be rebuilt from scratch, keeping very little of the original metal. As been stated, building a car around a VIN tag.
How is this perfectly acceptable, but if I "rebuild" an '86 Civic by basically swapping the VIN, that's illegal? Where does a all new metal restoration end and illegal VIN swapping begin?
Is it because to rebuild this car, most of the metal would come in pieces (fenders, tubs, doors, etc) or built up by hand? Seems like (if it's somehow rare), it would be easier to find other donor cars and swap the parts over.
-Rob
Virginia DMV says:
Definitions
Reconstructed Vehicle
Any vehicle that has been materially altered from its original construction by the removal, addition, or substitution of new or used essential parts. (VA Code § 46.2-100)
Specially Constructed Vehicle
Any vehicle that was not originally constructed under a distinctive name, make, model, or type by a generally recognized manufacturer of vehicles and which would not be otherwise defined as a reconstructed vehicle. (VA Code § 46.2-100) For example, a vehicle constructed using a Mercury frame and a Chevrolet body.
Replica Vehicle
Any vehicle not fully constructed by a licensed manufacturer, but either constructed or assembled from components. Such components may be from a single vehicle, multiple vehicles, a kit, parts, or fabricated components. The kit may be made up of major components, a full body, or a full chassis, or a combination of these parts. The vehicle must resemble a vehicle of distinctive name, line-make, model, or type as produced by a licensed manufacturer or manufacturer no longer in business and is not a reconstructed or specially constructed vehicle. (VA Code § 46.2-100)
I have taken rebuilt salvage vehicles to be inspected by the state for customers and generally as long as you have a paper trail of where the parts came from it really isn't that hard to re register. Swapping vins is a problem because if you have a good car there really are not many reasons to put a wrecked cars vin on it.
Wally wrote: I have taken rebuilt salvage vehicles to be inspected by the state for customers and generally as long as you have a paper trail of where the parts came from it really isn't that hard to re register. Swapping vins is a problem because if you have a good car there really are not many reasons to put a wrecked cars vin on it.
"stolen" is the most common reason, but "too cheap and/or lazy to go to the DMV to register the replacement vehicle" has been used too.
not by me.
i knew a guy who bought a '64 spyder convertible that had a '63 monza coupe VIN on it. still had the '64 spyder convertible trim tag on it. back story, from the guy who sold it to the guy i knew, was that the owner of the '63 wrecked it, bought the '64 to replace it, and swapped the VIN so he wouldn't have to deal with the DMV for tag / title / proof of insurance.
A KP60 Starlet in almost as bad condition went for $7.5k by me...that's what happens when you can't import them and a rich dude wants to build a "Starlet" rally car.
In reply to bludroptop:
Man it is unbelievable
If you had one of these with a dubious provenance that needed to go into the witness protection program, the new paper would be a good thing.
...I know a guy who knows a guy
In reply to NOHOME:
You sound like Saul from breaking bad there...
NOHOME wrote: Missing a few parts? If you drop that off at a competent coach-builders with a cheque for $100,000 you should be able to pick up an "As New" car in about 2 years. And you get brownie points for pulling one back from the grave (some guys get off on this) What is a running example worth nowadays?
A perfect speedster is well north of a quarter mill these days. I wouldn't be surprised to see them above 300 soon.
I saw a Carrera Speedster sell for 1.3 back in August.
To match the insanity here, here's an early COUPE already at 53K, and the reserve isn't met - http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221319942387
In reply to Maroon92:
Well yeah! The key looks like it was just bought at the Ace Hardware. This coupe is already well along towards being restored.
rob_lewis wrote: Obviously, this car would literally be rebuilt from scratch, keeping very little of the original metal. As been stated, building a car around a VIN tag.
The good part is, it's not uncommon for a new car to be built around the cast off parts from a car like this.
There are Ferraris where there are two or three cars with the same serial number. Car gets wrecked while racing, car 1 gets rebuilt, car 2 gets built around the wrecked-but-straightened-out parts.
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