pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/4/16 10:52 a.m.

200HP and 266 lb/ft of torque from Zero RPM. It has an aggressive regen braking setting that is basically left-foot braking. Sure, it's a bit heavy but the weight is very low in the chassis and the 0-60 performance specs put it right up there with the Fiesta ST. With some aggressive tires, this thing could be a contender.

jstein77
jstein77 UltraDork
3/4/16 11:04 a.m.

One issue I can see with it is that the HP and torque ratings are at full charge, so depending on how far you have to drive to the event, it could be considerably less than that by the time you get there.

"Wait, I can't run yet, my generator is still topping off my charge!"

G_Body_Man
G_Body_Man Dork
3/4/16 11:39 a.m.

I'd be more concerned about the height to width ratio than anything else.

NickD
NickD HalfDork
3/4/16 11:49 a.m.
jstein77 wrote: One issue I can see with it is that the HP and torque ratings are at full charge, so depending on how far you have to drive to the event, it could be considerably less than that by the time you get there. "Wait, I can't run yet, my generator is still topping off my charge!"

This. And even on a good day, a Volt only gets 40 miles per charge, so for a taller, less aerodynamic vehicle, I'd say less.

We had someone try to do an all-electric lap in a CR-Z once. Halfway through the run, it ran out of battery power and switched over to just the engine without electric motor assist.

Mike
Mike GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/4/16 12:03 p.m.

In reply to NickD:

CR-Z hybrid system is IMA. The motor is bolted rigidly to the crank. No clutch between gas and electric systems. All electric running shouldn't be possible. The motor does regen, starting and assist.

That said, you can empty the battery in a minute or so during an aggressive run.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
3/4/16 12:18 p.m.

In reply to jstein77:

This is not like the R/C cars of yore, where power is gradually reduced until it's gone. It's full power until it reaches some critical level and shuts off.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse HalfDork
3/4/16 12:30 p.m.

In reply to tuna55:

Right. Like a lithium ion drill.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/4/16 12:53 p.m.
NickD wrote: And even on a good day, a Volt only gets 40 miles per charge, so for a taller, less aerodynamic vehicle, I'd say less.

The Bolt has a different battery (among other things) and has 200 miles of range.

itsarebuild
itsarebuild GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/4/16 1:02 p.m.

If like to see someone do it. It won't be me since I don't have the disposable income to wad up a new EV, but I agree the reasoning sounds solid.

glueguy
glueguy GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
3/4/16 1:17 p.m.

There will be a certain irony towing your electric car to a race to save the charge.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/4/16 1:42 p.m.

^Again, there's no need. It won't get slower as charge decreases like an RC car.

NickD
NickD HalfDork
3/4/16 1:58 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
NickD wrote: And even on a good day, a Volt only gets 40 miles per charge, so for a taller, less aerodynamic vehicle, I'd say less.
The Bolt has a different battery (among other things) and has 200 miles of range.

Eh, shows how much I pay attention to these things. And I work for GM.

WOW Really Paul?
WOW Really Paul? MegaDork
3/4/16 3:38 p.m.

Uhhhh, no. Weight would be its undoing.....

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
3/4/16 3:49 p.m.
G_Body_Man wrote: I'd be more concerned about the height to width ratio than anything else.

this is going to be the big one. IIRC the sonic is boarder line now for rollover rating.

glueguy
glueguy GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
3/4/16 4:54 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: ^Again, there's no need. It won't get slower as charge decreases like an RC car.

Understood. You drive an hour to an autox. You race. Are you gonna make it an hour home again? How are you going to recharge at a remote abandoned airfield with no power?

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/4/16 5:33 p.m.

A portable generator?

Raze
Raze UltraDork
3/4/16 6:42 p.m.

In reply to Brett_Murphy:

Ohhhh snap

chiodos
chiodos Dork
3/4/16 7:00 p.m.

3580lbs for those curious. And "30k starting price"

WOW Really Paul?
WOW Really Paul? MegaDork
3/4/16 7:24 p.m.

In reply to chiodos:

"$30k starting price" so long as you make enough money to offset the alternative energy tax credit(which I sincerely hope disappears soon)

smartwater
smartwater New Reader
3/5/16 9:12 a.m.
G_Body_Man wrote: I'd be more concerned about the height to width ratio than anything else.

Don't they keep the batteries on these pretty low, which would move the center of gravity pretty low as well.

calteg
calteg Dork
3/5/16 1:15 p.m.
WOW Really Paul? wrote: Uhhhh, no. Weight would be its undoing.....

Just like the GT-R. and the Veyron. And the Tesla. And any SRT-8 vehicle. And...

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/5/16 6:27 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote: 200HP

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/5/16 6:30 p.m.
chiodos wrote: 3580lbs for those curious.

kb58
kb58 Dork
3/6/16 10:05 a.m.

Maybe this is the one that'll prove everyone wrong. Right now I'm still pissed at electric car companies and their Marketing Departments - and the people who believe their statements. I guess nothing's really changed, that gasoline-powered cars claim "400 hp" and 25 mpg, but the moronic public takes the "and" to mean "at the same time." Same goes for electric cars, that 200 mile range is going to get very very small when driven hard. Why not run a test and take it out to your local "clover leaf test track" and run it really hard for 3 minutes, simulating three runs. What's the range at the end of that?

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