westsidetalon said:I was counting on this generation to end smoking
I can't stand smoking. Absolutely turns my stomach to see someone sucking on one. Filthy disgusting things. But that Marlboro livery has such a rich history in motorsports that I have no problem at all with seeing it on a car.
I don't hate it.
Anything is better than stance.
Anything.
In reply to ddavidv :
are you sure?
I am much happier about street cars adopting race car stance and livery than Donks, Bosozoku or that crazy negative camber thing.
By the time I got next to the S2000, the light turned green, no passenger to take a pic, but it really wasn't that much lower then the Miata.
Remind me a lot of the old IMSA GTO/GTU cars.
In fact, as I think about it, there was a flared out Fiat 500 the other day. It actually looked pretty cool.
Mndsm said:In reply to ddavidv :
Precisely. How is the Z ok, and the donk not ok? Neither are actual race cars.
I don't care for it. I think some cars with the livery colors are cool bit that one doesn't work for me.............and the Marlboro connection even thought I know they have a rich racing history....not good.
When the Cig Advertising was actually banned in the country of the race, the Marlboro livery took on this slight change, which I like better.
And, these variations:
I'm thoroughly confused. That's ultimately just a stance/drift/tooner car. Something that might have been called 'ricer' once upon a time...Is the fact that the pseudo racing graphics just so happen to be done in historic racing livery really all it takes to change the GRM consensus about such trends?
Yeah it's a trend caused by some combination of pro drifting and everyone's favorite automotive fashion/porno mag. Doesn't look bad, it just works bad. But as a guy who owns a car that can't go over speedbumps for slightly different reasons, I can't judge 
Automotive community: "Kids these days aren't into cars, they're too busy staring at smart phones. Stupid millenials!"
Young person: Customizes their car in a way they like.
Automotive community: "That's gay."
In reply to gearheadmb :
Sooooooo true!
Im at once fascinated by the craftsmanship and energy and time put into the Lowrider cars. I’m also in love with beater BMW amateur drift cars with mismatched body panels. I’m into lifted trucks and the lowered ones that can park underneath them.
Automotive passion is automotive passion to me. Sure not everything I see is what I’d replicate but whatever, if the owner loses sleep over it, good for him.
And I’m as anti-smoking/drugs/alcohol as anyone could be but I couldn’t care less about Marlboro, Miller or any other “vice” sponsorship a car has on it. I was inundated by that stuff since I was a kid and somehow Joe Camel never held me down and made me smoke, geez!
Driven5 said:I'm thoroughly confused. That's ultimately just a stance/drift/tooner car. Something that might have been called 'ricer' once upon a time...Is the fact that the pseudo racing graphics just so happen to be done in historic racing livery really all it takes to change the GRM consensus about such trends?
You're not far off, it's too tasteful to call a ricer IMO...cheesy awful graphics will go a long way to earning that designation.
Also a drift car or tuner car are very different from a ricer or stance car.
gearheadmb said:Automotive community: "Kids these days aren't into cars, they're too busy staring at smart phones. Stupid millenials!"
Young person: Customizes their car in a way they like.
Automotive community: "That's gay."
This X1000.
Driven5 said:I'm thoroughly confused. That's ultimately just a stance/drift/tooner car. Something that might have been called 'ricer' once upon a time...Is the fact that the pseudo racing graphics just so happen to be done in historic racing livery really all it takes to change the GRM consensus about such trends?
At what point is a modified car not a “tooner” car?
This Z has a pretty coherent look. The aero mods are functional, the wheel choice is an exaggerated version of what you’d see on track - basically, it could legitimately have performance abilities. The livery is well done with color choices, and to me that’s what sets it apart instead of the fact that it has Marlboro on the side.
I’m a guy who has a Miata with a fairly deep front lip, a giant rear wing, white wheels and Martini livery. Is it a tooner stance car? Or is it an asphalt rally car?
In reply to Keith Tanner :
I'm not giving any opinion, positive or negative, about the trends or terms used to define them...Merely pointing out the ironic elephant in the corner of the room.
gearheadmb said:Automotive community: "Kids these days aren't into cars, they're too busy staring at smart phones. Stupid millenials!"
Young person: Customizes their car in a way they like.
Automotive community: "That's gay."
Yup.
i feel like there is starting to become a new, higher end, widebody scene. With how big Liberty Walk widebodies have become im starting to see more and more of these types of cars around. what i would call somewhere between a 'super clean drift car' and a 'well done stance car' for the streets, might be mostly to and from car shows and events, but still atleast get driven.
My buddy from college owns a high end shop in Florida and builds similar cars. they have been to Sema and still get street driven somewhat regularly.
I generally try to avoid passing judgement on other peoples cars unless it's some obviously unsafe claptrap. Otherwise build whatever makes you happy as long as it isn't 100 decibels at 9 pm.
As far as the Z goes it looks pretty clean. Much the sam as the advertising laden Donks. If you're into that go for it, the owner likely knows the history of the Marlboro livery.
The0retical said:I generally try to avoid passing judgement on other peoples cars unless it's some obviously unsafe claptrap. Otherwise build whatever makes you happy as long as it isn't 100 decibels at 9 pm.
As far as the Z goes it looks pretty clean. Much the sam as the advertising laden Donks. If you're into that go for it, the owner likely knows the history of the Marlboro livery.
Looks like he has some money and high-end parts tied up in it too. That appears to be a Rocket Bunny it and Fifteen52 wheels, both of which are not cheap.
It looks like an ok done time attack or track day car. The livery is just the eye candy for the owner but the other parts on the car look fine.
Just imagine taking any of the GRM UTCC cars based on a street production model, set it up more for the street but keep the wide rubber, wrap it in the best full car vinyl graphics package you can buy. It would probably look rather interesting. I had a friend that never cared about the competition at time attacks or autocrosses, he was just really really into his aero and how it worked if he tweaked an angle here or there. So he had all these aero devices on his car. I admitted that his rear wing was MASSIVE but you couldn't see the details he put into the front undertray to generate downforce. Even in the midst of running his machine in competition a few "hardcore" competitors gave him a hard time about the look of his car.
Next time you see the guy let them know to look at Grassroots Motorsports.
So how hard would it be for me to turn this:
Into this?
Ignoring the whole two-extra-doors issue, of course.
Or this?
I'd say "track inspired" is certainly becoming or has been a thing, Some of the local meets you see cars that look more like clean drift/time attack cars than stretched tire, colored wheel crowd.
It's not unusual around here to see cars "battle aero" 3m stuck on canards, chassis mounted wing carbon splitter and the like. While I don't really find it that different in the respect that it's still largely non functional modification for posturing I do enjoy looking at the cars.
Heck, I didn't mind looking at stance cars either and seeing some of the geometry/chassis modification people did to make their stance cars safer/more functional was just as ingenius as some of the racecar builds I've witnessed. (note I'm not talking your typical ebay wheels/raceland coilover crowd)
I'm just hoping the next step is they bring these track inspired cars to an event, afterall you can't grow the scene without new faces.
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