Jaguar XF - 2.0T Whaa???

A year ago (to the day, actually), I made a thread asking about the sense in replacing one of my minivans with an 03+ Jaxuar XJ. While that still may be the plan, today my attention has turned to the XF, which is also an improbably sexy car. In the course of my research, I discovered that the 2013 base model has dropped the V8 in favor of a... 2 liter turbo.

Fuel economy isn't that much better than the supercharged V6, but it's 250 lbs lighter and I'm sure is fast enough for my wife's tastes. 23 city/29 hwy isn't great, but it's not terrible for a big sedan. Better than the van, at least.

Where did this 2.0T come from? And why did they strap it to an 8 speed auto? How silly does that combination look? Would only a fool by a 4 cylinder Jaguar?

It is the Ecoboost from the Explorer/Edge.

Ah, it's missing from the list of applications in the ecoboost wikipedia article. I see that they also used it in the Evoque. Is this the only RWD application for the 4 cylinder ecoboost? At least until the Mustang SVO rumors come true?

Jaguar probably has somebody on full-time editing the Wiki article to take out any mention of a Ford engine in a Jaguar.

And a Focus engine at that. Luxury!

m4ff3w wrote: It is the Ecoboost from the Explorer/Edge.

Considering how long that Jag has not been part of Ford, if that's true, they are spending a lot of money to get it. Or at least I really hope they are spending a of of money getting the engine.

(a sexier source would be the Focus ST...)

In reply to alfadriver:

Jag says it's true. 2.0L EcoBoost RWD setup being built in Valencia, Spain. So the XJ and the new SVO Mustang will be kissing cousins!

Javelin wrote: In reply to alfadriver: Jag says it's true. 2.0L EcoBoost RWD setup being built in Valencia, Spain. So the XJ and the new SVO Mustang will be kissing cousins!

Please charge $10k to Jag for the motor. I'll send a memo for that. It's time that we actually make a profit on Jaguar.

Wonder what the XI is based off.

If it's off of the old S type, well it would be more than just close to the Mustang....

In reply to alfadriver:

The new XJ and XF are all-new and related only to each other. Tata spent a lot of money there.

Javelin wrote: In reply to alfadriver: The new XJ and XF are all-new and related only to each other. Tata spent a *lot* of money there.

Well, not on the motor...

Letting Jag use that motor would be the only good thing Ford has done for Jag other then sell them.

Javelin wrote: In reply to alfadriver: The new XJ and XF are all-new and related only to each other. Tata spent a *lot* of money there.

Actually, the current (09-13+) XJ is based on the previous XJ platform, which is still developed in England. The current (08-13+) XF is built on Ford's DEW98 platform, which underpinned the Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-Type, and new Thunderbird. While the S197 Mustang chassis is technically a different chassis code, my understanding is that they are indeed related.

So far, no new Tata platforms have been announced. Frankly, I'm surprised they've gotten as much life out of the existing XJ and XF platforms. The XJ platform is older than dirt, I'm pretty sure. Amazing what a sexy body will do.

(All information straight from wikipedia, so if any of it is wrong, blame them).

93EXCivic wrote: Letting Jag use that motor would be the only good thing Ford has done for Jag other then sell them.

You mean other than keep them alive. And develop a new V8 that they and Aston Martin use. And give them money to develop a new chassis.

All that stuff was useless.

Well, it certainly was a waste of money- should have let Jag tank.

steronz wrote: Actually, the current (09-13+) XJ is based on the previous XJ platform, which is still developed in England. The current (08-13+) XF is built on Ford's DEW98 platform, which underpinned the Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-Type, and new Thunderbird. While the S197 Mustang chassis is technically a different chassis code, my understanding is that they are indeed related.

I stopped paying attention to jag a long time ago.

But, yes, the Mustang is an LS chassis, converted to front struts/rear live axle. So an S-type and a Mustang are the same basic chassis. Which then means that the XJ and Mustang are more than just related.

So can we call the XF a Mustang like the old X type was called a Mondeo? Please????

Also according to wikipedia, the Mustang was supposed to be the DEW98 (LS) platform, but to save money they stole all of the suspension components from the C1 (Focus) platform. So it's an LS tub with Focus squishy parts.

They called it the D2C platform; not sure if they were just lazy and said, "Well, we converted a DEW to a C1, so... D2C" or if there's some deeper meaning.

Anyway, that means my Mazda5 has a lot in common with a Mustang.

Globalization is fun! And confusing. And a little scary.

ETA: I'm basically content calling the XF with the Ecoboost a RWD Focus ST at this point.

alfadriver wrote:

93EXCivic wrote: Letting Jag use that motor would be the only good thing Ford has done for Jag other then sell them.

You mean other than keep them alive. And develop a new V8 that they and Aston Martin use. And give them money to develop a new chassis. All that stuff was useless. Well, it certainly was a waste of money- should have let Jag tank.

Except the only new chassis developed by Ford was the last generation XJ (and the XF oops) and that was replaced not long after Tata took them over. The X-Type was just Ford (and not that good either) same with the S-Type. The XK8 was based heavily on the XJS. And they got rid of the jewel of a motor known as the Jag straight 6.

Someone is just mad cause they are just stuck with junky Lincolns as their only luxury car.

In reply to steronz:

wiki leaves a lot to be desired. AFAIK, the Focus does not use a live axle.

Size wise, the DEW/S is between a CD and a D, which is a long way from the C1- so the copier that was used to shrink it was a doozy.

BUT, if we want to call the XF a Focus, I'm perfectly fine with that.

93EXCivic wrote: Someone is just mad cause they are just stuck with junky Lincolns as their only luxury car.

Had they not lost billions of dollars, thus costing me a lot of profit sharing, I would be bummed about being stuck with Lincolns.

But working with Jag, I'm quite pleased to see that Tata has to buy them motors from Ford, and probably pay someone here to develop the new platform, since it's a derivative of one that came from us. I'm not a fan of Jaguar what so ever. Good riddence- and I certainly hope we really rake in a lot of money on this one. Could care less how many cars they sell, as long as we profit out of it.

93EXCivic wrote: Except the only new chassis developed by Ford was the last generation XJ (and the XF oops) and that was replaced not long after Tata took them over. The X-Type was just Ford (and not that good either) same with the S-Type. The XK8 was based heavily on the XJS. And they got rid of the jewel of a motor known as the Jag straight 6. Someone is just mad cause they are just stuck with junky Lincolns as their only luxury car.

It didn't take a genius to know that Jaguar was on the brink of death when Ford bought them. Their reputation was in the crapper, their vehicles were beyond obsolete, and basically nobody was buying them. Ford 100% rescued them. The "jewel of a motor" was aging very poorly and did not compete. Their platforms were worthless and they did not have the money to develop new ones.

Ford brought engineering and quality control know-how and money. Jaguar has gone from another footnote in the British automobile industry's decline to a (relative) success.

In reply to dculberson:

Except Jag didn't start making money until after Ford sold it.

alfadriver wrote: Had they not lost billions of dollars, thus costing me a lot of profit sharing, I would be bummed about being stuck with Lincolns. But working with Jag, I'm quite pleased to see that Tata has to buy them motors from Ford, and probably pay someone here to develop the new platform, since it's a derivative of one that came from us. I'm not a fan of Jaguar what so ever. Good riddence- and I certainly hope we really rake in a lot of money on this one. Could care less how many cars they sell, as long as we profit out of it.

Dayummm; look at Eric channeling his inner Mitt Romney.

The way Jags are discarded, I seem my MGB GT getting one of these engines in about 8 years. Can even claim to be keeping it "All British"

alfadriver wrote:

steronz wrote: Actually, the current (09-13+) XJ is based on the previous XJ platform, which is still developed in England. The current (08-13+) XF is built on Ford's DEW98 platform, which underpinned the Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-Type, and new Thunderbird. While the S197 Mustang chassis is technically a different chassis code, my understanding is that they are indeed related.

I stopped paying attention to jag a long time ago. But, yes, the Mustang is an LS chassis, converted to front struts/rear live axle. So an S-type and a Mustang are the same basic chassis. Which then means that the XJ and Mustang are more than just related. So can we call the XF a Mustang like the old X type was called a Mondeo? Please????

That's what I get for believing the press releases. Does this mean I can convert an S197 Mustang to a real front suspension using junkyard LS parts?!?

steronz wrote: Anyway, that means my Mazda5 has a lot in common with a Mustang.

I'm fairly sure the same guy designed the 2005 Mustang and the 2006 Mazda5.