Austin Dillon did some prototype testing the other day. I'd call 17's and alloy wheels the most noticeable change, although the whole thing is quite different from the current car.
Austin Dillon did some prototype testing the other day. I'd call 17's and alloy wheels the most noticeable change, although the whole thing is quite different from the current car.
And I thought this would be about TBI or some other type of fuel injection...you know some late 20th Century technology... ;)
secretariata said:And I thought this would be about TBI or some other type of fuel injection...you know some late 20th Century technology... ;)
They've been using fuel injection for at least 5 years.
Anyone else hoping for something more like an Aussie touring car?
In reply to Tom_Spangler :
Guess that shows how much I've paid attention...
In reply to nderwater :
I think the current Australiacars look weird, at least the Mustang does, because it has to fit into their rules that were designed for 4-door sedans...but I think the chassis design and such would be a good direction for Nascar to follow, yeah.
Streetwiseguy said:Austin Dillon did some prototype testing the other day. I'd call 17's and alloy wheels the most noticeable change, although the whole thing is quite different from the current car.
18" wheels...
Likely to loose 5 lug nuts per wheel too.
A change back to drivers side exhaust exit? The venting on the side skirt around the pipe is interesting too.
Tom_Spangler said:secretariata said:And I thought this would be about TBI or some other type of fuel injection...you know some late 20th Century technology... ;)
They've been using fuel injection for at least 5 years.
And it was hilarious in the online peanut gallery, with people whining about "the damn Japanese carburetors" in NASCAR.
Extra hilarious because Japanese automakers held on to actual carburetors longer than any other first world manufacturing nation...
From the little bits I've read, its partly a step into the future, and partly a step back to the old days. Car gets more modern, engines are aimed at a more realistic factory horsepower number, and maybe most interestingly, they are going to a standard chassis with standard parts, like back in the old days when you phoned Banjo Matthews and told him you wanted a new drop snout, rear steer chassis. In theory, costs will go down a bunch, but as we all know, race teams can figure out how to spend all the money they can find...
Potentially, current back marker teams could afford to get closer to the front runners. We shall see.
Whatever they do, they need to get the cars up off the ground and the bumpstops and let some air flow under the car, or else they'll never reduce the aero push and difficulty of passing that they have now.
slowbird said:Whatever they do, they need to get the cars up off the ground and the bumpstops and let some air flow under the car, or else they'll never reduce the aero push and difficulty of passing that they have now.
It is impossible to put the aero genie back in the bottle.
In reply to stafford1500 :
Not impossible, just unlikely. They *could* mandate using stock-appearing bodies with no splitters or side skirts...but they won't. They *could* require a minimum ride height 6 inches higher than they do now...but they won't.
slowbird said:Whatever they do, they need to get the cars up off the ground and the bumpstops and let some air flow under the car, or else they'll never reduce the aero push and difficulty of passing that they have now.
You've been listening to Dale Jr... And a whole bunch of other drivers.
slowbird said:In reply to stafford1500 :
Not impossible, just unlikely. They *could* mandate using stock-appearing bodies with no splitters or side skirts...but they won't. They *could* require a minimum ride height 6 inches higher than they do now...but they won't.
Eh. They COULD. but guys like Steve would figure it out within a season or two. Then, it would have just cost a lot more to wind up in the same place .
I will say that the changes nascar has been making lately are actually getting me intetested in the series again. Maybe even enough to watch.
Tom_Spangler said:secretariata said:And I thought this would be about TBI or some other type of fuel injection...you know some late 20th Century technology... ;)
They've been using fuel injection for at least 5 years.
Throttle body injection. The finest GM tech from the early 90s!
In reply to STM317 :
Doesn't F1 basically use throttle body injection too? They spray the fuel really, really far away from the port. Maximizes atomization and charge density effects.
Dusterbd13-michael said:slowbird said:In reply to stafford1500 :
Not impossible, just unlikely. They *could* mandate using stock-appearing bodies with no splitters or side skirts...but they won't. They *could* require a minimum ride height 6 inches higher than they do now...but they won't.
Eh. They COULD. but guys like Steve would figure it out within a season or two. Then, it would have just cost a lot more to wind up in the same place .
I will say that the changes nascar has been making lately are actually getting me intetested in the series again. Maybe even enough to watch.
Yes, Michael has put his finger on it. Guys like me are paid to help find those little bitty gains to make these rolling billboards spend more time in the cameras focus. We will spend lots of money for crazy small gains, which add up over time to the results on tv every Sunday. The best way to "equalize" the competition is to leave the rules alone long enough to let the little guys start catching up while the big guys chase smaller and smaller gains within the rules.
Yes, I have spent my entire professional career trying to find those small gains and beat the competition. Every rule change just puts the little teams further behind.
In reply to stafford1500 :
I get what you both are saying, but right now even the great teams can't pass the other great teams on track with the current package. I'd be ok with a wide split between top and bottom if the top 5 cars were able to race side by side and trade positions lap after lap.
In reply to Knurled. :
The result is similar, but not exactly TBI. Th e effect is due to short runners and high revs needing the fuel sprayed further upstream.
In reply to slowbird :
We are OK with the small teams being slow too. That means we win more regularly. However, NASCAR wants the field more even, which means the little teams performance has to be increased or the big teams performance hindered. Guess which ones will put more into finding other advantages. The rules makers are always playing catch up. They can not ever control the entire game, until they issue cars at the track (IROC anyone). Then the drivers with the talent will get paid by the bigger teams to do their thing. Money still wins.
As far as passing the cars pushing a wall of air will always affect the following cars and the setup will be tailored to the leading position. No one will ever setup a car to be passable, if they have a choice.
Well...I can't dispute that.
So instead, I'm going to start my own league where we race boxy 80s boats on short tracks and road courses :P
In reply to slowbird :
That would be a good show.
Another way to make the racing better is shoter races, so there is no time to wait and strategize, just run flat out to get to the front. Take chances at passing and dont be afraid to use the bumper.
Loving the wheels, however not loving the idea for one supplier of the Chassis. Teams should be able to build thier own chassis.
chada75 said:Loving the wheels, however not loving the idea for one supplier of the Chassis. Teams should be able to build thier own chassis.
S lot of fabricators and design engineers think so too.
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