Does anyone have any personal experience with the big Koreans? The Genesis sedan is a nice car but the Equus is just as cheap. Also, I like the fact that the Kia k900 looks like an optima that are too much. Stealth luxury. Anyway, what say the hive?
Does anyone have any personal experience with the big Koreans? The Genesis sedan is a nice car but the Equus is just as cheap. Also, I like the fact that the Kia k900 looks like an optima that are too much. Stealth luxury. Anyway, what say the hive?
Much more familiar with the Genesis just because the equus is so rare but I have only heard good things about the Genesis from people who own them, which I would expect to carry over? The only thing I remember hearing is the Equus was a car you are meant to be driven in so the driving experience is not as good as the passenger experience
The few people I know how have owned the Genesis are passionately in love with them. I think it's a combination of them being quite good cars, and them feeling like they pulled one over on the world by buying something "as good as a German car for a lot less". I'm not sure you get that same emotional boost buying one used, so maybe you need to go drive a couple to see if they stack up?
I have driven an Equus and liked it very much! However, i think there are similarly good cars at same price point, so my real decision would be based on trying to research reliability.
In reply to Vigo :
One of my co-workers has an Equus and it is quite the car.
I assume you mean the lexus LS, GS, and Infiniti M. Your Lexus is awesome but I am a few years out from barge life and I suspect that a 100k mile Equus in 2 or 3 years will be in the area of 10 Grand. I don't that a 2011 LS will be anywhere near that.
Edit: looks like 2009 LS are in the upper teens already.
One blew by me on the LIE, I thought it was a Benz.
I assume you mean the lexus LS, GS, and Infiniti M. Your Lexus is awesome but I am a few years out from barge life and I suspect that a 100k mile Equus in 2 or 3 years will be in the area of 10 Grand. I don't that a 2011 LS will be anywhere near that.
I let the GS go to the other side in a breakup. Happy with the ownership experience. I consider the GS and Genesis Sedan to be competitive and the Equus and LS to be competitive. I strongly suspect that an older LS at the same price point would be my choice if you held my feet to the fire about it. The Equus certainly has a stronger motor than any same-price LS you can get right now, but the Lexus may be far less headache in the long run. The only Equus i've driven was fairly new and already had some electrical issues.
The Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R Spec is an amazing depreciation king. Fast, comfy, reliable and looks great in a sleeper sort of way.
Vigo said:
The only Equus i've driven was fairly new and already had some electrical issues.
Oh really, what was happening?
The Genesis r spec is definitely on the radar. I only see them at dealers around here and they want serious money for them still.
I sat in the Equus and Genesis and loved them both but haven't driven either.
The want is strong.
Watching with interest. I very much like the Genesis.
In reply to Bobcougarzillameister :
Externally they're good looking cars. But the interior, especially center console and steering wheel it's just ugly to me and cheap looking.
My only knowledge of them is that my uncle, a doctor who had been in Mercedes, BMW, and Porsche for the 20 years prior, had a Genessis and stated he loved it for about 4 years. Then he replaced that with a BMW. I think for those who have never had a BMW/Merc/Audi/Lexus/Jag, the Koreans are going to be perfect. But for those who have, there is just something missing. You can't put your finger on it either; by any measure they should be just as good (and by most measures they should be better since they're so much cheaper).
So for my retired doctor uncle with a lot of money, they're not quite good enough. For everyone else, they should be awesome.
Oh really, what was happening?
I don't recall, it was 4 or 5 years ago now. It came through the auction i was working at with warning lights and trouble codes, but i dont remember the details. I only snuck it out for a drive because i was interested in driving one, but i wasn't the one working on it.
I could handle that.
The0retical said:
I could handle that.
Woah,
So Low, Much Scrape
In reply to singleslammer :
It's on air so probably not a huge deal (and reasonably comfortable), I don't understand people who drop them like and let them sit static. Also California.
In reply to The0retical :
Yeah, even on bags Missouri roads (which are actually not that bad compared to other salt use States) would kill that thing. I will doing air ride on one of my cars with metal bumpers in the near future though.
This is very much relevant to my interests too. Looking to replace my DD in a few months. I'm a mini-Bobzilla in that I've become a big believer in Hyundai/Kia, having owned several of their products, including my current DD '13 Elantra. I need/want a large sedan that's capable of respectable highway mpg (on regular unleaded), is fast (as in 0-60 in 6.0 sec or less), dead nuts reliable, great highway cruiser, at least respectable handling, lots of room for kids and their gear and loaded with luxury (sorry, I'm getting older, I like my goodies). The car has to be '13 or newer, lower miles and under $20k. I'd like all that in a stick shift too, but no such thing exists, sadly. So autotragic it is. The Accord V6 sedan is near the top of the list, but as pathetic as it sounds, one thing holding me back is that a heated steering wheel and ventilated/cooled seats aren't available. The 300C w/Hemi is also a contender. Love the G37/Q50, but it's an old design and requires premium unleaded. The Koreans have some really nice offerings in this category. Genesis 5.0R sedan (3.8 may not be quick enough for me), Equus or even the Kia Cadenza could be a contender. I have to go drive them to see what I really think.
There 3.8 is supposedly 5.9 to 60. Not bad. 20k would get you a REALLY nice 13 or 14 Genesis with any options you want with the v6 and most anything on the V8. That is hard to argue against as long as they are reliable. The v6 is apparently is only good for mid 20s on the highway but it is a big car so that isnt really surprising. I imagine the V8 is in the low 20s mpg highway.
singleslammer said:There 3.8 is supposedly 5.9 to 60. Not bad. 20k would get you a REALLY nice 13 or 14 Genesis with any options you want with the v6 and most anything on the V8. That is hard to argue against as long as they are reliable. The v6 is apparently is only good for mid 20s on the highway but it is a big car so that isnt really surprising. I imagine the V8 is in the low 20s mpg highway.
I'm pretty sure the 3.8 is very closely related to the engine used in the Kia Sedona. I've got 11 years and nearly 150k miles of experience with that engine. It's rock solid bullet proof and fairly quick for a minivan. But mpg sucks...as in 22 highway, 15 city. I know the Genesis is different...body design, weight, trans gears, etc....but I wouldn't expect miracles. Besides, the 5.0L has over 400hp and who's going to argue with that?
In the "just casually browsing Autotrader" shopping I've done, a '13 Genesis 5.0 sedan with under 60k miles is still pushing $20k or a tad more. I really do want to check out the Kia Cadenza. A newer, low mileage loaded example can be had for roughly $16-18k. Seems tempting.
The main differences between the oldersedona 3.8 and the newer genesis is GDI and 8-spd auto's. Both make a big difference in highway economy and one is moving a brick, the other a sedan.
You guys are a bad influence. Look what's sitting on a local dealer lot...
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