Learn me 2.0L ecoboost.

alfadriver said:

In reply to Knurled. :

The more common manual Fusion is actually the Milan.  Which are still out there- just really rare.  The most common FWD manual for a duratec is a Focus, by far.  But all of those will be 5 speeds.  The 6 was for the ST.

Ah,if we're being 6 speed specific, then yes.

The 6 speed (or at least "a" 6 speed) was not unique to the ST.  One of my friends bought a new base model Focus sedan (160hp 2-liter DI engine) in 2013, maybe 2012, with a 6 speed manual.  I do not know if it is the same unit as the ST got, but it definitely was a six.

I would imagine that it is easier to find an ST transmission.

That car was kind of strange... according to the literature, only the super awesome fuel economy special model had grille flaps... but his had them, even though it was the base model.

In reply to Knurled. :

???  As far as I know, the "6 speed" was the DST, and the 5 speed was the manual....    Could be wrong, as barely anyone got manuals.  

In reply to alfadriver :

It's the only manual trans Focus I've ever seen of that generation (not counting STs or RSs).  I'm 99% certain that it had a six speed because I remember driving it (was servicing it for him) and shifting to 6th, which was a huge novelty for me.  The 1% of doubt is only because you say it shouldn't have been, and I'm generally willing to entertain the possibility of being wrong.

I suppose I could call him and ask, he still has the car.

St transmissions are easy to get and 2.5l milan/fusion 6 speed trans are dirt cheap...450 bucks if they will bolt to the 2.0......Another thing is finding axles.....I wonder if i can frankenstein some together or if ill have to have a pair made......maybe ill get lucky and find somethin off the shelf XD.

In reply to BEEFKING69 :

Finding a Focus ST donor is starting to sound more and more like the most sensible approach to me (if it has to be an Ecoboost). It would give you everything you want in a single vehicle. Engine, trans, steering, all of the modules, etc, and you could recoup some cost by parting out whatever is left. If you were going to be over $3k before little things by piecing it together, you might be able to pay as much as $4500-5k for a donor and still be in the same financial spot with less hassle trying to track down individual components from specific vehicles. 

How  different do we think a Focus ST front end is from your Corolla when it comes to dimensions, etc?How much work would it be to just drop the front subframe/engine/trans/suspension from an ST and then make that fit into your Corolla shell? Would that be more or less time/effort/money than piecing together everything you need and ending up with a bunch of custom parts in the mix (steering, axles, engine/trans mounts, etc)? 

In reply to STM317 :

I wouldn't doubt it if a Corolla could fit inside the fenders of a Focus and rattle around.  Focuses got big, and Japanese cars were narrow due to some tax law.

Heres the guinea pig. I have no idea what it would take to get a focus sub frame under the fx.  If i could find a complete focus st that would be ideal....but knowing my luck id spend the rest of my life waiting for the right one to popup :/  I am keeping my eyes open tho.  But for now lets just say im going to have to piece this together.

Plan A.....13-15 Fusion 2.0, 13+ Focus st 6speed manual or possibly 11+ fusion/milan 6 speed manual,  Focus st harness ecm etc? or worst case use a 2.3 control pack. 

Plan B....Redneck ecoboost using duratec 2.0 and building it

Plan C....Stuff a gen 2/3 coyote/6 speed in a samurai frame and set FX body ontop and have the first 500hp V8 awd corolla fx......win win???  Would that be considered an FX32 GT?

I've got a project going where I'm putting the 2.0 EB into a TVR, so I know a fair bit about these motors.  At least about fitting one into a chassis.  I managed to get one of the last 2.0 control packs.

There are some other options for control.  If you get a factory ECU, you can have the PATS deleted by an HP Tuner person.  This is probably the least expensive route.  There's a British company doing stand-alone - SCS Delta is the place.  Not cheap, but probably would work.

If you want to do FWD, then the ST transmission would be fine.  If you want RWD, the engine will bolt to an NC Miata trans - either a 5 or 6 speed.  I've got a 6 spd in mine.  You can find a trans from a 2.3 Ecoboost Mustang.  That fits too, though it is a larger heavier unit.  Supposedly there is a Ranger gearbox out there as well, though I have no direct experience with that one.

I'd look carefully at the lump out of a Cobalt SS which used an Ecotec engine that gives more power.

Probably super rare, but the 2010-2011 Fusion could be had with a 2.5l/6mt. That engine takes pretty well to boost in Miata applications and would probably be cheaper/easier than trying to shoehorn a DI engine where it doesn't belong. 

Bear in mind these are MUCH larger engines than 4AGEs or 4ACs.

Think 3SGE size.

morello159 said:

Probably super rare, but the 2010-2011 Fusion could be had with a 2.5l/6mt. That engine takes pretty well to boost in Miata applications and would probably be cheaper/easier than trying to shoehorn a DI engine where it doesn't belong. 

The 2.3 Ecoboost is the same external dimensions as the 2.5.  They are more or less the same engine.

The DI bits hang over the transmission.

TVR Scott.....Do you know of any specific company that can PATS delete the factory ecm? If so thats definitely the route id rather take.

Wspohn.....Ive been eyeballing those also and its not outta the question altho id prefer to stick with ford.

Morello159....Im not opposed to that either and it would go along with what STM317 was suggesting....Redneck ecoboost

Knurled....The 3SGE fits and has been swapped into FXs before

In reply to Knurled. :

Well, shoehorn in the software/controls sense. Not necessarily fitment. 

Any thought OP on doing a k-swap? Plenty of power to be had looking over at the Honda stable of 4 banger engines, and they take very well to boost... 

Yep ive looked into those also.

BEEFKING69 said:

TVR Scott.....Do you know of any specific company that can PATS delete the factory ecm? If so thats definitely the route id rather take

 

I posted a question on the HP Tuners forum back in August 2018, and Eric from HP eventually got back to me and said he could do a PATS removal on a stock ST ecu.  I didn't end up going that way, so I don't have any direct experience with him or the service.

TVR Scott said:

BEEFKING69 said:

TVR Scott.....Do you know of any specific company that can PATS delete the factory ecm? If so thats definitely the route id rather take

 

I posted a question on the HP Tuners forum back in August 2018, and Eric from HP eventually got back to me and said he could do a PATS removal on a stock ST ecu.  I didn't end up going that way, so I don't have any direct experience with him or the service.

This is more a general question, not something I can do for this thread....  But how much would people be willing to pay for turning PATS off?

Again, for this application, there's more that needs to be done for it to work with a manual trans- which, in theory, would be an additional cost.

Planning for retirement, if you were wondering.

If your after Ford power, why not a Focus SVT donor? Cheap, 170?hp, cheap, lots of tuning, turbo options, and cheap. I'd boost a Dura2.0 (my personal favorite I4) way way way before trying to mess with more modern DI and especially all the CAN hooey.

If not Ford, maybe a 2zz? keep it in the family for extra purity.

If not inbreeding, maybe K-swap? B-swap? good known formulas there.

If you're married to this car and also married to the ecoboost thing I'd say your best bet is a FoST or even FiST from the closest wrecker so you get everything you need.. You do you man, only rule here is BUILD THREAD!

Yeah this is my favorite car ive ever had so im sticking with it lol. Ive looked at all the toyota options and looked at k-swap pretty hard....ive also considered v6 swaps as ive seen a few of those. Im curious how much it would be to build a dura2.0? I can get an 05 focus 2.0 for 150-300 bucks 5 speed for around 200 but id rather have a 6 speed. I wonder if the newer 6 speeds will bolt to the dura 2.0? Also may have a lead on getting a focus st ecm pats deleted and all the other shenanigans taken care of...if so i can go ecoboost and be under 2500 all in but im pretty interested in seeing what a dura build would come out to be. Once i get started there will definitely be a build thread  :)

In reply to BEEFKING69 :

While ky skin may crawl with this suggestion- have you looked into GM products?  HP tuners seems more adept to modifying one of those- loosecannon's EM MG has a turbo DI from a Buick in it, and while it took some time for him to sort it out, it's been running really well for a few years now.  And I bet if it was left more stock to get going, it would have been easier to run.

Still, I'm curious how much it's worth to turn off PATS and all of the other items to get an auto FWD engine to work in a manual.   

In reply to alfadriver :

I'll bet you could make good money tuning Fords for people and doing PATS deletes.  There's definitely a bigger market in working with the GM stuff, but the lack of Ford experts could work in your favor.  You certainly know WAY more about Ford EFI than the average tuner.

I never got a quote on the PATS delete, but I can't imagine it costs too much.

In reply to BEEFKING69 :

Find a Focus SVT. There's your 6th gear. and starts with 30 or 40 more hp than the dura2.0.

This is making me really want to find a Focus and buy a FSWerks boost kit for it. I love my parents but I'm still upset they killed my old 05. I mean, who blows up a manual trans in a street car?

alfadriver said:

In reply to BEEFKING69 :

While ky skin may crawl with this suggestion- have you looked into GM products? 

The discussion keeps coming back to Ecotec for a reason.

Alfadriver....pats delete and what not on the coyote ecms is around 300 if you supply your own ecm.  Ive looked at the colbalt ss and the newer versions in the buicks etc and they do look tempting and could be an option depending on  trans options/cost and cost of electronics.

Barefootskater....they want as much for a 200k mile svt motor as what i can get an ecotec etc for...now the svt 6 speeds are dirt cheap. I assume they will fit a dura 2.0?

Lets price out a 2.0 duraboost build. Got a decent idea on the other options.

Suprf1y said:

alfadriver said:

In reply to BEEFKING69 :

While ky skin may crawl with this suggestion- have you looked into GM products? 

The discussion keeps coming back to Ecotec for a reason.

I assume that reason is because GM computers are more hack-friendly  than Ford weirdness.

Ford made way, way, WAAAY more Ecoboost and Duratec relative to GM,  Duratecs are the LS motors of the 4cyl world.

But the GM computers are more cracked.

Now I kind of want to try to bodge a GM computer to run a Duratec or Ecoboost, even though it'd be simpler and cheaper to just blow $1800 at Ford for an Ecoboost controls pack. (Hell, my guy Jon up in MI was running a supercharged Civic with an EEC-IV,  because Roush)  Plus I've already got my plate full with wanting to run an Audi five cylinder engine on a Volvo 850's computer...