Swank Force One wrote: Wait.... the Corolla AllTrac had an E-series trans? That's surprising. I knew the Camry AllTrac did, though a very weak version, compared to the Celica units.
Swank Force One wrote: Wait.... the Corolla AllTrac had an E-series trans? That's surprising. I knew the Camry AllTrac did, though a very weak version, compared to the Celica units.
You could get a 6 speed in the American market? I would assume typo, but it's there twice.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/4314444723.html
RoughandReady wrote: You could get a 6 speed in the American market? I would assume typo, but it's there twice. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/4314444723.html
unless he's counting reverse or it's a swapped 2zzge, then not that Ive ever seen.
I know the C160 gearbox wasn't sold in the US.
There's a "pic a part" in WNC? 
In reply to chrispy:
Rusty's in Marion. No one seems to know about it. haha.
I didn't realize they were a diy style operation. Keep it under wraps 
. Good luck on your quest.
Lightened flywheels and increased compression/timing are a great way to get a little extra pep out of the stock mill. I loved my '95 sedan. Just plain old sturdy design, with no frills. Reliable as gravity and parts grow on trees. An ITB'd 7AGE hybrid would be a bleeding-raw high-strung monster...and a TON of fun
Plan to replace the crank pulley - theyre a 3 part concentric design: inner steel hub, outer steel ring, and a rubber layer between the two to dampen vibrations. The rubber shrinks over time from heat and the elements, and will allow the outer ring to slide away from the block, laterally along the cranks axis. This will eat belts in short order. Aside from that, the next highest cause of death is tinworm.
Tons of fun, would buy again.
another for inspiration (because I think the sedans in this rare case are better looking than the wagons...and lighter)
I just skimmed though this, so it may have already been suggested, but why not cobble up a low boost turbo system for the stock AFE motor?
http://www.streetfire.net/video/turbo-geo-vs-evo-8_187431.htm
I played around with a 93 4AFE Prizm that I and then a friend owned for long while a couple of years ago and did a lot of homework on what it would take to get some more power to its wheels. AGE swaps sounded cool, but at the time cost about what the car was worth, and the wiring seemed like more than I wanted to deal with. Turboing atleast the 7AFE motor is a not so uncommon practice in the 6G Celica world and there is a lot of reading that can be done on the appropriate forums for those cars.
There are cheapo turbo kits available for the motor, but it seemed like the job could be done with an eBay turbo manifold (which are available in a couple of different forms), some junkyard hunting and a few nick nacks from my DSM and my buddies Turbo Probe/MX6/626 part collections. We actually had drawn up a plan for the project, but my friend ended up getting a job that required a lot of road time and needed a reliable fuel efficient vehicle, which the Prizm fit well in it's mostly stock N/A form. He had actually bought the eBay turbo manifold, which now hangs on his garage wall to give it a "Racers Edge from F&F" feel.
-The plan called for hacking up the eBay manifold to fit either a DSM MHI 13G (from an auto equipped 1G) or an IHI VJ11 (stock turbo from MX6/Probe/etc.) and hacking up a cheap eBay Honda turbo downpipe to mate to the turbo's O2 housing. -Although I can't remember where, the AFE motors had places that could be tapped for both oil and coolant feed for the turbo. The oil return would've been the standard drill/weld job on the pan. Toga makes a higher volume oil pump for the motor that can be used. -Fueling would've come from a junkyard set of 7MGE (Non turbo 3G Supra/etc.) injectors, a cheap FMU and a Walbro 190 pump (if needed). Tuning was the big mystery, but from a handful of accounts this was deemed viable for single digit amounts of boost. We had looked into AEM systems and MegaSquirt for when things may have gotten more serious down the road. IIRC, some company was making some sort of plug and play deal to hook megasquirt to cars of this ilk from Toyota. -Intercooling would've come from either a 1G DSM or turbo Probe intercooler and some hacked up plumbing, or a cheap eBay FMIC kit meant for a Civic/Integra. -We weren't really sure about any drivetrain related stuff, but the car already had an Exedy "stage 1" clutch that was apparently rated to handle more than stock power.
In all and with the help of skilled welder buddy, the job would've cost a fraction of what a proper 4AGE swap would've, and we would've had plenty left to pluck a solid handful of spare AFE motors that were (and probably still are) plentiful in our cheap local u-pull-it yard. Plus, swapping another AFE motor in the AE101 (or 102 whatever it is) is laughably simple. I starved the Prizm's original 4AFE of oil and spun most of the rod and main bearings. Drove it with a nasty knock for another 3k miles and still got 30+ MPG, before I found an entire low mileage Prizm for $300. With a couple of buddies, the swap took somewhere around 6 hours, with plenty of breaks to drink beer, bullE36 M3 and soak and clean the original (and metal shaving filled) oil pan (since the pans are different between auto and manual).
Successfully turbo'd 7AFE cars have proven to make more power than even the fabled silver 20V 4AGE motor for cheaper than a properly furnished 4AGE swap. It'll also be tough for a 4AGE to match that power as the aftermarket for those motors isn't exactly cheap or plentiful and they like mods as much as some other high comp. 4-bangers.
The car wouldn't have been a rocket by any means, and probably would've been a handful from a stand still. It's purpose was mostly for "Toretto pulling up the the race" oohs and ahhs, and to embarass parent funded, low mod and cocky kid driven New Edge Stang GT's, SRT4's, Cobalt SS's, WRX's and such.
My memory is kind lacking on it, but as far as swaps go everything is usually a complete bolt in affair. The best word of advice was to make sure to get a swap that included everything (Engine, trans, ECU, harness).
I never got into what the degree of difficulty was for wiring the AGE motor into the AFE chassis, but if it's intimidating for you there is a resource: http://www.tweakdperformance.com/services.html The place is known in some Toyota circles and the guy is a wealth of knowledge on Toyota engine swaps. I looked into them because (for a fee) they offer a service where they take your vehicles stock engine harness and the harness that comes with your motor swap, and make you a complete "plug and play" harness for your swap.
Some other notes: -If you do some DEEP digging, you'll find some non 4AGE swaps that have been done on this era Corolla as well. Of note, I've seen videos on Youtube and some of the owners postings on a forum, that detail a 3SGTE (JDM Turbo Celica and 2G Turbo MR-2 motor) swapped Prizm. Apparently some of the motor mounts line up and the others needed minor fab work to line up. Another swap that I've seen was a Prizm with a 4EFTE (JDM Starlet motor. Acually a direct swap for a USDM Tercel...). Similar to the 3S motor, it mostly lined up in the engine bay and needed just minor fab work. -At the time I was doing research, there was debate that the 6-speed trans from the 7G Celica GT-S could mate to the AFE/AGE motors. Not sure what the final outcome was there... -We actually had our hands on a rare and very badly neglected Prizm GSi (pretty much a 4/5-door AE92 Corolla GT-S) for a while in hopes that some of its GSi/GT-S goodies would swap over the newer platform, but other than the motor/trans and possibly sway bars, nothing was really bolt in. The rear disk brakes would've needed a degree of fab work to swap over and the cool looking strut tower to firewall brace would've required some firewall drilling.
A 3SG(T)E or 2ZZ-GE will go into an AE92/101 with some fab work for the engine mounts, and maybe some radiator swapping. I know there's a guy in the States who tracks a 3SGE swapped one. In both cases you need a Celica donor car.
On that note, a 7g Celica is a nice alternative to modding an AE92 GTS...it already has big power (by cheap sport compact standards ), 6 speeds and room for wide tires from the factory and only weighs a little more. Aftermarket's better too.
Blasphemer!
"S" motors go in "S" chassis. "A" motors (or ZZs) go in "A" chassis, and it should stay that way.
Stop it. You guys are making me want to restore and modify my '93 Toyolla wagon.
In reply to Swank Force One:
+1. Seems like it would just be easier to just get a Camry. Which I'm also considering. I liked mine a lot. Looking at the current CL landscape, it might be easier/cheaper to get a Camry. I like the look of the 3rd gen, but god are they fat and heavy.
So goofy/ugly with that poorly designed ass.
Even the second gen can be cool.
Sky_Render wrote: Stop it. You guys are making me want to restore and modify my '93 Toyolla wagon.
No, no. Don't do that. Let me take it off your hands instead...
singleslammer wrote:Sky_Render wrote: Stop it. You guys are making me want to restore and modify my '93 Toyolla wagon.No, no. Don't do that. Let me take it off your hands instead...
I'm looking to get another daily driver before next winter. I will entertain offers for the Toyolla. But she must go to a good home.
Camrys of that era can be fun. You seen the 1000whp+ Camry Sedan out of Toronto?
In reply to Swank Force One:
Ohhhh yeah. A little extreme though...
. I do like the 2nd gens for their simplicity. I want to move back to what I used to have. My 2nd gen was great, even with 260k. After living with the Subaru for a while, I wish I'd kept my Camry. I'm hoping a Rolla would be just as good, just smaller. I passed a e100 wagon going to the post office today, what a great looking car.
EPA says 30 mpg hwy for the e90 and e100 Corollas? My old Camry got 35. one of us must be wrong. haha.
I thought all of these came with 4age's. Is that a carb? I guess it looks fast. I kind of want it.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4334998165.html
Yep that's a carb. Some came with that motor (4AF), some came with the same thing with EFI (4AFE), some came with the 4AGE and some came supercharged (4AGZE). There's even talk of a JDM factory option super-turbo setup but it may just be Internet legends.
Would be fun to troll Ae86's. I think the SR5 is way better looking than the GTS without the body kit and fin.
I like the spoiler, but yeah the stock side skirts really look out of place...
ProDarwin wrote: Interesting. Never heard of this, although I've never seen anyone running more stick than 225 A6s or 235 Hankook C?? in the rear.
Completely silly and off topic, but 245/40s on 17x9s on the rear of a Saturn.
I've rallycrossed the SC2 once now. The whole lack of mass mitigates the weak looking suspension. I would go with a 1995 SW2 over the other crappy wagons.
In terms of tire sizes for AE9x/AE1xx Corollas, that's a big sticking point. Anything wider than 195 will need coilovers with very short springs, or wheel spacers, or fender rolling, or maybe even a combination of those. That same 3SGE-swapped AE92 has 245-wide tires jammed under it though! I think Barry Manon squeezed 225s on his with just short-springed coilovers.
Found the car. AE82 Liftback, no rust, bad auto trans, good 4a-c, $400, 15 minutes from my house.
RoughandReady wrote: Found the car. AE82 Liftback, no rust, bad auto trans, good 4a-c, $400, 15 minutes from my house.
Not many will be expecting that particular car to have anything except an anemic 4AC... blacktop swap should be easy enough since the wiring lays out similarly
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